Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[Seiryuukishi]

OP propably expected friendly tap on back in this thread and you kinda slapped him right into face and for that I love you sir.
Well I hope you won't get temp ban from forums for this, someone most probably reported you.

Thanks for the concern, but it's done. I had all the nonsense I could stand.

[Tuathaa]

Definition of entitlement: the feeling or belief that you deserve to be given something (such as special privileges). As you said that SE chose you to be tiebreaker as a tank.. well.. the definition.

SE did not choose the tank to be the tie breaker they choose a random player to be leader which is designated by the L next to their portrait in the player list. Ultimately it is the party leaders say and not some random dps, tank, or healer.

[DSaint]

I think there is a huge difference between being a leader and a boss.

A leader is meant to LEAD, not to give orders or take final decisions.
So yeah, a Tank is the party leader, but not party boss.
Tank is just meant to lead, not to decide alone if runs will be 'full clear' or 'fast clear', or if group will deal with massive pulls or not. It's up to the group to decide things altogether (if you running with a premade party, you guys can decide who is going to be the boss).
Nothing in this game (raid, dgns) can be done without a specific party role. But be pretty sure: Anything can be done without YOU (yeah!! you there!!! Reading my post!!! lol).
By: A tank, tanking to protect my comrades =P

Btw, I hope I'm not off topic xD just my 2c

[UlricCraft]

Healer here: I run the dungeon.
Have you not seen the scholar/white mage solo dungeon runs?

Tanks.. You're replaceable.

[radioactive_lego]

I've never seen so many overly hostile people on a forum community, wow.

Correction:

I've never seen so many overly hostile people in a forum community, wow.

SE has unintentionally created the biggest cesspool of MMO gamers since the Barrens.

No where else will you find Console gamers, PC gamers, Bots, RMT spammers, forum trolls, elitists, and casuals all clown-car packed in to the (NA) back seat of a Japanese owned and operated game.

[Tuathaa]

Healer here: I run the dungeon.
Have you not seen the scholar/white mage solo dungeon runs?

Tanks.. You're replaceable.

Personally I listen to healers more than tanks. They usually have a better view of the surroundings and are not as focused on one task.

[radioactive_lego]

Healer here: I run the dungeon.
Have you not seen the scholar/white mage solo dungeon runs?

Tanks.. You're replaceable.

Correction:

Healer here: I run the dungeon.
Have you not seen the scholar/white mage solo dungeon runs?

Tanks.. You're replaceable, after a twenty minute wait.

[Skivvy]

I cannot WAIT until 2017 to necro this thread! lol!

At the current pace, this may still be going in 2017..



And to add (didn't want to double-post, sorry to whomever liked this comment before the edit - feel free to remove)

Nice try. In that first quote that was from my OP, I did not edit that sentence at all. It has been there and worded that exact way since I first posted this thread. I don't see why you don't think the OP might change and it might be worth looking at again, but that part wasn't even changed. OP edits happen frequently on forums and is the best way to clarify the OP's opinion without requiring readers to read through an entire thread, but moving on. For the people who don't believe me and want solid proof that I had clarified how quickly the DPS said his first sentence prior to Skivvy's first posting though:

I don't get what you're getting at here. At the time of my first reply, I saw the DPS's comment to you. If you recall correctly, I mentioned that you could have taken the high-road, or simply given them the benefit of the doubt. Am I missing something else here?

Let's take a look at the second quote. My second quote was first posted on 05-01-2015 at 11:41 PM. It was last edited on 05-01-2015 at 11:49 PM.

Now let's take a look at when your first post was. Your very first post on the topic was on 05-02-2015 at 02:13 AM.

I'm not quite sure what second quote you're talking about, perhaps the 2nd time I quoted you? If that is the one in question, I was not aware of your penchant for editing past posts, and so I was simply responding to the accusation of not reading based on what I had previously read and replied to.

So, are you essentially saying that I went back in time and edited my post because I somehow knew you were going to post on this topic and somehow knew I'd need to change it in order to argue against you? I don't think you are, but that's what would be required here really.

The timestamps aren't supporting you here :P. The second post couldn't have been "considerably different" at the time of your posting because its last edit came before your first post on the thread. Even if you were referring only to the OP being considerably different, my point still stands. Whether you didn't read/understand the OP, or didn't read/understand the second post, either way you missed something. I have since found a third post where I mentioned it after your first post as well.

That's just crazy. I don't think you edited anything intentionally just to mislead people. However, I do think that your constant editing is making this thread incredibly difficult to keep up with, and then you turn around and blame people for not reading previous-edits that they had no idea existed in the first place. You use the "you didn't read" reply as if you're trying to one-up people, but you're not keeping the game fair.

I felt that you needed to read or at least re-read to understand that the DPS did have time to type out at least "please", and understand that he had no excuse not to. If he had "no skipping anything" typed fast enough to barely even give the cut scene skip screen time to end, he had time to add the simple word "please". There is no excuse why he couldn't have had the time.

I've acknowledged the fact he may have just been an ass, but someone else's bad manners do not excuse your own. But again, we're human. We're prone to emotional responses, so I can understand the knee-jerk reaction. But for quite awhile you tried to blame the other people as being soley responsible for the outcome. Claiming it was your right as a tank to do what you want. Did not sit well with me.

And as for your question, I have answered it. On any forum, it's important to check the OP for possible edits every so often if you are involved in the discussion. An OP in part is the thread creator's summarized opinions/purpose of the thread. When a thread gets huge like this one, it becomes even more worthwhile for the thread creator to summarize what they want to say in the OP.

You can really blame the 20 post limit for why I was forced to respond to a lot of people in the OP at the time. You did see my response to you in the OP though, so you must have been watching it some, enough to see my disclaimer I would think. If I recall correctly, you asked me why I was responding to you again, so you did see the response in the OP. I will quote if you like.

I only went back to read your OP once I realized you were tweaking your previous posts. That was probably after the 2nd time you accused me of not reading something. Don't have the exact time frame, but it took me awhile to realize you were doing this. And as I mentioned before, my replies were to where the CURRENT conversation was. Not 10+ pages back.

I have never been on a forum where previous posts (not just the OP) are constantly edited to add more information. Yes, the 20 max post a day here doesn't help, but even still, I've not run into this level of editing on other threads. How do you expect anyone to keep up with ninja edits? If/when I get bored enough, I'll have to go back through your posts to see exactly how many were edited AFTER people already responded as the numbers (just from eyeballing) seem high. You can't blame people for missing things you've thrown in after they've already responded to you.


And for full disclosure, I have not really been following the thread since my post on 5/3/15, but nothing said above really deals with the actual story.

[Adire]

I don't get what you're getting at here. At the time of my first reply, I saw the DPS's comment to you. If you recall correctly, I mentioned that you could have taken the high-road, or simply given them the benefit of the doubt. Am I missing something else here?

Yes, you are missing something. Because in my second quote, I explained to someone else that he had the time to post a better worded sentence asking me to do a clear rather than demanding it. This was also explained in my OP.

I'm not quite sure what second quote you're talking about, perhaps the 2nd time I quoted you? If that is the one in question, I was not aware of your penchant for editing past posts, and so I was simply responding to the accusation of not reading based on what I had previously read and replied to.

This quote:

"no skipping anything" - said by the one dps upon the dungeon starting

"i only have one aoe, so thank you and goodbye" - said by the dps upon being asked to aoe the mobs he wanted exp from, after being asked by our side as a compromise

"if you don't pull extra mobs, i will and the healer will let you die"

Does this sound like a compromising attitude to you? The very first thing anyone said, as soon as the barrier went down at the start, was the first thing I quoted for you.

This quote is from a post that was last edited before you had even posted on the topic. As such, if you had indeed read, you should have understood that he had time to say please to me if he had time to have that typed quickly enough to beat the barrier going down. If you didn't gather that from my post, that's another story. But you cannot blame me here for doubting that you had read the post. I think doubting critical thinking skills is more offensive than doubting if someone read.

That's just crazy. I don't think you edited anything intentionally just to mislead people. However, I do think that your constant editing is making this thread incredibly difficult to keep up with, and then you turn around and blame people for not reading previous-edits that they had no idea existed in the first place. You use the "you didn't read" reply as if you're trying to one-up people, but you're not keeping the game fair.


I've acknowledged the fact he may have just been an ass, but someone else's bad manners do not excuse your own. But again, we're human. We're prone to emotional responses, so I can understand the knee-jerk reaction. But for quite awhile you tried to blame the other people as being soley responsible for the outcome. Claiming it was your right as a tank to do what you want. Did not sit well with me.

None of my edits have been done very long after responses, and if they've been significant edits, I have added "Edit:" to each post and changed the formats of posts to make it obvious they were edited. MY OP even hasn't been edited in days now, and when it was edited the last time it was simply to remove the responses to people that I put on it because of the post limit preventing me from responding to them with a new post.

Edit: I cannot remember for sure If I reworded my post to better reflect my views accurately before or after I moved the responses come to think of it, but the story itself has remained unchanged from the original in any case, and the people assuming I am okay with tanks being dictators have been posting since the beginning, even after I said otherwise. My 3rd and 4th posts on the thread even said that I did not support dictator-like behavior from tanks. My third post on the thread was about 12 minutes after its creation, and the 4th one was less than an hour after it, so that still does not excuse the 30+ pages of people still saying I'm a jerk and dictator. They should know better if they've seen my first few posts on the thread.

Also, they were solely responsible. Why? Because they did not treat me with common decency. I have been claiming this entire thread that it was only my right to do what I wanted because there was a tie , and because I was demanded of. And even then I tried to compromise because compromise is the best way to negotiate when there is no clear majority and because I still value human rights more than a role's rights. And that I did not skip mobs because I had bad intent. And that I helped him out with the mobs when he pulled them. Outside of responding with immediate politeness or giving into his demands after his immediate rudeness, I did everything I could. And what I did was hardly the response of a cruel person, especially given the good things that I did.

I only went back to read your OP once I realized you were tweaking your previous posts. That was probably after the 2nd time you accused me of not reading something. Don't have the exact time frame, but it took me awhile to realize you were doing this. And as I mentioned before, my replies were to where the CURRENT conversation was. Not 10+ pages back.

Well like I said, I clarified how quickly the guy had posted his comment in my OP. It was there in my OP from the beginning. You also should have seen my disclaimer in my OP, seeing as how you asked me why I was responding to you again when I moved my response to you to another post, and should have seen that I was going to be moving the responses to reduce clutter. That was right there with the responses to people I had on my OP at the time. If you had the knowledge to think I was responding to you again when I moved my responses, that means you were aware that the response to you was in the OP. With those responses, I had this disclaimer:

Edit: Please go to this post if you want to see the posts I addressed in my OP originally (moved it there to reduce the clutter in the OP):

What this strongly says to me is that you saw and possibly did read my response to you on my OP. When I moved it, you assumed I was responding to your quote a second time (though my response to your was the exact same as it was on my OP...if you had read the content the second time even a little, you should really have known it was just a moved response). You believing me to be responding to you a second time also shows you missed that quote I just provided for you, that was in my OP as long as the responses were.

I have never been on a forum where previous posts (not just the OP) are constantly edited to add more information. Yes, the 20 max post a day here doesn't help, but even still, I've not run into this level of editing on other threads. How do you expect anyone to keep up with ninja edits? If/when I get bored enough, I'll have to go back through your posts to see exactly how many were edited AFTER people already responded as the numbers (just from eyeballing) seem high. You can't blame people for missing things you've thrown in after they've already responded to you.

I suppose we've had different experiences then, though I disagree that I "constantly edit" my OP. It has not been edited in days, and the basic OP remains intact. I have primarily only added in better wording and clarification of my beliefs, most of the important stuff in the OP (and the story completely) remain intact and as they were originally.

Edit: I'd also like to mention my 3rd and 4th posts on the thread again as well. They are clear signs of my beliefs too. My beliefs that I do clears if treated with respect and if outnumbered. I transplanted their logic into my OP, that's all. They have been there almost as long as my OP has been there.

Also, please do go back and look at that. I'm not denying that I edit a lot, I like to word things better if I think of a way to do it that didn't occur to me at the time of posting. I am denying that my posts have changed considerably after the edits though. I have not removed much from posts and have only mostly added in better wordings and points that I did not think of prior. A considerable amount of my edits also comes from formatting my posts to look better and proofreading as well. If you do go back and look at that though, make sure to note how many people have made repeat arguments in new posts when I have addressed those arguments already before the last edits on my posts too :P

SE did not choose the tank to be the tie breaker they choose a random player to be leader which is designated by the L next to their portrait in the player list. Ultimately it is the party leaders say and not some random dps, tank, or healer.

So...you're essentially saying we should leave the most valuable opinion on pulling mobs to someone selected by RNG rather than leave it up to the person whose job is to pull mobs? I've seen it all now O.o.

[ThanMazus]

Want some more examples of me not accusing people of not reading when they disagreed with me, Than? If you don't like these, I can find you some more! Or want me to post some proof that people really haven't been reading in many cases? I'll be happy to provide that too if you wish.

If you didn't see these posts...well, I think you know by now what I'm going to say

Hopefully you'll stop claiming that I accuse everyone who disagrees with me of not reading now. The proof that I don't is here, if you're willing to accept it.

What If I saw the posts, but I still think the pattern stands overall? Every rule has its exceptions. :O Perhaps if you could tally up the number of disagreements to "you didn't read" vs disagreements to not mentioning reading? 41 pages of thread, maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part?