The Monk Temple Reborn

[Dervy]

You're going to get me banned so I'm going to stop replying to your ignorance and tell you for the last time.

Do your research before arguing so ignorantly against someone who knows more about the mechanics of this game than a overwhelming majority of the player base, especially one who has months of data backlogging and evidence to prove my statements.

https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/

I love discussions, I love it when people challenge me and other players even point out things to me that I've forgotten. That's why I'm so frequent on these forums because everyone here has something useful to say and we can all learn off each other. But you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall with no discussion going on.

[Truedragon]

Maybe getting banned is the best thing that can happen to you since you are obviously taking this stuff way to serious. Solid evidence has been provided man. Remember that. I did not resort to mentioning about random Japanese players. Also try not to take this so serious yea. Its just a game. And we are just exchanging theories.

[treuhavik]

BUT, if anyone asks, just say how det doesnt translate into dps and how you cant compare it in anyway to dps output.

It truly doesn't (directly). I'm gonna lay it out reeeal simple-like.

Stat weight = Main stat value (strength, dexterity, mind or intelligence).

Ex. 0.47 determination weight x 2 determination = +0.94 Strength, not +0.94 DPS.

Does your total attack power equate to your exact damage per second? No, no it does not. So, as Dervy says, go educate yourself.

Maybe getting banned is the best thing that can happen to you since you are obviously taking this stuff way to serious.

Really? You aren't "exchanging theories", you're arguing proven math without even the knowledge of how to calculate the stat weight of your weapon. Just go.

[Thrustie]

Dreadywmr choker: 33.91
Ironworks choker: 25.94
Difference: 7.97!!! almost 8 STR difference. Obviously flawed.

Dreadwyrm earring: 33.91
Ironworks: 25.94
Difference: 7.97 again!!

Bracelet: 29.29
Dreadwyrm: 27.31

Ironworks ring: 28.85
Dreadwyrm ring: 31.58
Difference: 2.73
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Your numbers are goofy. Of course the dreadwyrm choker and earring are going to be weighted that much higher. Accuracy is given no weight so when you compare them in a vacuum, only one stat on the ironworks is actually contributing to the weight. Weights are totally meaningless until you reach the acc cap, THEN you can use them to compare gear. Ironwork choker and earring can potentially still have more value than dreadwyrm if you need the accuracy.

[Truedragon]

It truly doesn't. I'm gonna lay it out reeeal simple-like.

Stat weight = Main stat value (strength, dexterity, mind or intelligence).

Ex. 0.47 determination weight x 2 determination = +0.94 Strength, not +0.94 DPS.

Does your total attack power equate to your exact damage per second? No, no it does not. So, as Dervy says, go educate yourself.




Really? You aren't "exchanging theories", you're arguing proven math without even the knowledge of how to calculate the stat weight of your weapon. Just go.

No, really? Is that really how it works?


Dude, if said japanese player stacked up 430 det and if I have 330 DET, he has 100 more DET. That is the equivalent of give or take 50 STR using sunnys stat weight calcs. That 50 STR is not 50 dps. That is almost 200 dps, dude. Wake up. Said Japanese player isnt doing 850 deeps before echo.

Now granted this is just napkin math. In reality, said player stacked up on DET but had to sacrifice CRIT and SKS to get DET that high. This means the translation is not around 200 more dps but prolly maybe half of that. Youtube 750 dps monks. You will find NONE.

[Truedragon]

Your numbers are goofy. Of course the dreadwyrm choker and earring are going to be weighted that much higher. Accuracy is given no weight so when you compare them in a vacuum, only one stat on the ironworks is actually contributing to the weight. Weights are totally meaningless until you reach the acc cap, THEN you can use them to compare gear. Ironwork choker and earring can potentially still have more value than dreadwyrm if you need the accuracy.

I did not say Dreadwyrm choker is not weighted higher. Even with old stat weights, the choker weighted highest. I am contesting it is weighted almost 8 STR higher because that would literally mean that the dreadwyrm choker is better than i150 choker with madison tier stats. Wake up.

If DET is really worth .572, than i110 high allagan choker or gloam choker (whichever one has DET) is stronger than i130 choker with madison tier stats. Get real.

[Thrustie]

I did not say Dreadwyrm choker is not weighted higher. Even with old stat weights, the choker weighted highest. I am contesting it is weighted almost 8 STR higher because that would literally mean that the dreadwyrm choker is better than i150 choker with madison tier stats. Wake up.

If DET is really worth .572, than i110 high allagan choker or gloam choker (whichever one has DET) is stronger than i130 choker with madison tier stats. Get real.

Yeah in a situation where you can completely disregard the accuracy. Why is that so crazy? In any situation where you're swapping out an ironwork choker for a gloam choker, there's probably an alternative gear slot where you could drop acc for better returns. You acting like this is such an incredulous notion is baffling.

[treuhavik]

50 STR = 200 DPS

I rest my case.

[Truedragon]

It is crazy because the math using DET 0.572 stat weight, shows 8 STR difference between augmented ironworks choker and dreadwyrm choker. We are talking about two i130 gear here, not i110 vs 130!

Even upgrading i110 to i130 only gave us 5 more STR. Thats why it sounds so crazy, dude. We arent talking about i110 vs i130. We are talking about two i130 gear having a gap thats bigger than 20ilevels. Does that sound logical to you.

Noone is contesting that dreadwyrm choker has the best secondary stats man. Even 10 year olds stack up on DET.

[Thrustie]

It is crazy because the math using DET 0.572 stat weight, shows 8 STR difference between augmented ironworks choker and dreadwyrm choker. We are talking about two i130 gear here, not i110 vs 130!

Even upgrading i110 to i130 only gave us 5 more STR. Thats why it sounds so crazy, dude. We arent talking about i110 vs i130. We are talking about two i130 gear having a gap thats bigger than 20ilevels. Does that sound logical to you.

Noone is contesting that dreadwyrm choker has the best secondary stats man. Even 10 year olds stack up on DET.

Haha wow you're still completely ignoring that Ironworks has ACCURACY which is NOT weighted. So yeah Dreadwyrm is that much better when you totally ignore accuracy. It makes total sense to me for them to have that disparity because, depending on what gear you have available, ironworks can STILL be superior in some gear combinations.