Do you think sell groups are hurting end game community?

[CGMidlander]

I guess I should narrow my grievance. I dislike RMT being used to skip content in any way, shape, or form. I dislike people using gil, to bypass what should be an exercise of skill and teamwork.

Crafting is a lump of effort and time. Using gil you made through crafting, to advance crafting, is using previous extra effort to skip some time.

And I don't really have a comment on trying to relate a video game's effort and accomplishments to farming for a living.

Do you know what a metaphor is?

Anyway, from what I'm seeing, it seems the base of a lot of the anti-sell arguments is that run sells are so expensive that the only way people can afford them is to buy gil through RMT.

That's untrue.

Most runs don't cost double-digit millions. They cost single-digit millions. (And for some really old content, not even a million per run)
These costs are not even remotely out of reach for many dedicated crafters.

Do you really think these kind of people is the majority of kill buyers?

Without any concrete statistics, nobody can say for certain in either direction.

[KarstenS]

Here you say:

Anyway, from what I'm seeing, it seems the base of a lot of the anti-sell arguments is that run sells are so expensive that the only way people can afford them is to buy gil through RMT.

That's untrue.

And here you say:

Without any concrete statistics, nobody can say for certain in either direction.

The one or the other?

Btw. I do know many high end crafters and harcore binders. I get big eyes when I see everyones gil numbers have 9 digits.

Do they buy kills?

No.

Why?

They are sucessfully raiding their own.


People that buy kills because they can't shedule for raids also can't shedule for making the needed amount of legit gil. Only a rare minority of the crafers would buy their kills because they do not raid.

There is your opinion and mine.

But when I look at the facts

- Kill selling increasing
- RMT increasing
- only a minority of high end crafters buy kills

my opinion is way more possible than yours.

If you still not believe me, tell me please what the gil buyers do with all that growing amount of RMT gil?

People don't buy gil just to have a nice number. They buy it because they want to to something with it immediately.

If they would buy stuff from marketboard, the prices would increase. But they are not growing. They are falling like hell. Falling prices always are caused by a worse demand.

[StrejdaTom]

People that buy kills because they can't shedule for raids also can't shedule for making the needed amount of legit gil. Only a rare minority of the crafers would buy their kills because they do not raid.

No, just.. no. There are people who have unstable work time and they can get called even at 7PM to go to work etc. You cannot throw everyone in the same bag. To raid in static you have to be online regularly in some time, to craft you can log in whenever you want.

[GenJoe]

- Kill selling increasing
- RMT increasing
- only a minority of high end crafters buy kills

- Contents increasing
- 3.0 approaching
- RMT increasing
- Euro depreciating
- Summer vacation approaching



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