Terrible Payment System

[mysterytaru]

Didn't say it was just my sig did I? I said all sigs, so I'm not getting over myself, I'm pointing out that it's widespread now.
It's not a whinefest either. Chocobo naming conventions is a whinefest. SP nerfs are whinefests. This is a legit concern that affects a lot of players. And it's not "until FFXIV goes P2P". It's now. FFXI is being subjected to this BS as we speak and the time to speak up about it is now. Just because it doesn't affect you personally doesn't mean it doesn't affect everyone else.

Any actual examples? Keep in mind ones that are blatantly trolling deserve anything that happens i.e. your last few.

The FFXI side is perfectly capable of speaking for themselves and, judging by the 2 dozen threads since this came about, they've been that doing just fine. Using others as an excuse to whine is lame.

[Chocobits]

Any actual examples? Keep in mind ones that are blatantly trolling deserve anything that happens i.e. your last few.

Seirra_Lanzce's sig was a very peaceful non-inflammatory request for an alternative to CnB and that portion was removed. Check it out 1 page back. Unfortunately I haven't been keeping tabs on the names of everyone else for easy reference but skimming the forums I see a lot of familiar sigs being altered. So I'm not just on paranoid mode (this time..?).

[SilvertearRen]

Any actual examples? Keep in mind ones that are blatantly trolling deserve anything that happens i.e. your last few.

The FFXI side is perfectly capable of speaking for themselves and, judging by the 2 dozen threads since this came about, they've been that doing just fine. Using others as an excuse to whine is lame.

Have you researched ClickandBuy? We've got people in this thread who've been victimized by CnB. I know someone who lost 1,700 british pounds because of CnB, just by registering her credit card to her account on CnB.

There have been examples of double-billing, resuming subscriptions without authorization, reactivating accounts without authorization, and multiple unauthorized charges. There are fraud reports that you can google for to back this up. Here is a list of the ones I found...

http://www.ripoffreport.com/internet...scam-7c4pm.htm

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3045549AAvAN3G

http://www.bbb.org/new-york-city/bus...york-ny-94189/


I should mention that ClickandBuy was intended to be the EU-based competitor to PayPal.

As it is right now, it is an unacceptable option for many of us in the United States. We take our financial security seriously, and many of us refuse to deal with ClickandBuy. (We also do not want to deal with Crysta, which is a virtual currency - many of us who are asking for a reliable, secure option like PayPal, are being screwed over.)

P.S. I cancelled my bank card that was on file with ClickandBuy. Getting a new one next week. GG, Square Enix.

[mysterytaru]

Have you researched ClickandBuy? We've got people in this thread who've been victimized by CnB. I know someone who lost 1,700 british pounds because of CnB, just by registering her credit card to her account on CnB.

There have been examples of double-billing, resuming subscriptions without authorization, reactivating accounts without authorization, and multiple unauthorized charges. There are fraud reports that you can google for to back this up. Here is a list of the ones I found...

http://www.ripoffreport.com/internet...scam-7c4pm.htm

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3045549AAvAN3G

http://www.bbb.org/new-york-city/bus...york-ny-94189/


I should mention that ClickandBuy was intended to be the EU-based competitor to PayPal.

As it is right now, it is an unacceptable option for many of us in the United States. We take our financial security seriously, and many of us refuse to deal with ClickandBuy. (We also do not want to deal with Crysta, which is a virtual currency - many of us who are asking for a reliable, secure option like PayPal, are being screwed over.)

Be that as it may, that doesn't change the fact that chocobits has been trolling and slandering SE as well about this in their sig. It also doesn't change the fact that there are 2 dozen threads about this on the XI side, proving that the XI players are more than capable of standing up for themselves. They don't need another thread over here for a game that isn't affected by this atm, if it ever will be, given that it's already been said by com reps that it's being discussed.

[Chocobits]

Be that as it may, that doesn't change the fact that chocobits has been trolling and slandering SE as well about this in their sig. It also doesn't change the fact that there are 2 dozen threads about this on the XI side, proving that the XI players are more than capable of standing up for themselves. They don't need another thread over here for a game that isn't affected by this atm, if it ever will be, given that it's already been said by com reps that it's being discussed.

I'd be one of those XI players if I still had access to my account. Which I don't because of CnB shennanegans. So I post in the other SE game that I play that will also eventually be affected by the same. What is wrong exactly with taking a stand and asking for your rights to be respected? And yeah I've trolled a lot. Not trolling now. I've got my A game on.

[SilvertearRen]

Hello Everyone!

We are aware of the many concerns about the new Click and Buy system, but please keep those concerns in their respective threads, and keep to the topic at hand while in this thread.

You can always review the Forum Guidelines at the link below:

FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines
http://support.na.square-enix.com/rule.php?id=902&la=1

Thank you for your understanding!

Then, if you are aware of the issues, can you at least confirm to us whether or not those issues have been passed on to the Japanese leadership in Square Enix and are a high priority item? And if possible to share, what solutions they are looking into implementing.

If you can answer this positively, that will be a satisfactory interim response.

[SilvertearRen]

Be that as it may, that doesn't change the fact that chocobits has been trolling and slandering SE as well about this in their sig. It also doesn't change the fact that there are 2 dozen threads about this on the XI side, proving that the XI players are more than capable of standing up for themselves. They don't need another thread over here for a game that isn't affected by this atm, if it ever will be, given that it's already been said by com reps that it's being discussed.

I don't see it as trolling. I see it as complaining loudly about a very stupid business decision Square Enix has made that involves the personal finances of every gamer that plays FFXI and FFXIV.

That sh*t ain't something you just play around with for fun, man. Chocobits is playing for keeps. He wants to protect his finances while still being able to enjoy FFXI and FFXIV.

Is that so unreasonable?

P.S. I'm playing for keeps, too. I have ditched my old CC card on file with CnB, as mentioned earlier. If that doesn't say something, nothing will get through the thick skulls so prevalent here.

P.P.S. If you think Chocobits is slandering Square Enix, then I'm guilty for doing the same - with the distinction that this time I have backed up my statements with proof that their decisions were not the best for FFXI/XIV.

[Chocobits]

I don't see it as trolling. I see it as complaining loudly about a very stupid business decision Square Enix has made that involves the personal finances of every gamer that plays FFXI and FFXIV.

That sh*t ain't something you just play around with for fun, man. Chocobits is playing for keeps. He wants to protect his finances while still being able to enjoy FFXI and FFXIV.

Is that so unreasonable?

P.S. I'm playing for keeps, too. I have ditched my old CC card on file with CnB, as mentioned earlier. If that doesn't say something, nothing will get through the thick skulls so prevalent here.

P.P.S. If you think Chocobits is slandering Square Enix, then I'm guilty for doing the same - with the distinction that this time I have backed up my statements with proof that their decisions were not the best for FFXI/XIV.

Well no, I was doing some trolling and slandering before, he's right. Which isn't the best way to get your voice heard. Now that I've cooled off a bit, I'm back to fighting clean. If we're going to protest this we can't step on any toes while we do it. If the toes are too big though, we'll tread first and apologize later.

[Catapult]

They don't need another thread over here for a game that isn't affected by this atm, if it ever will be, given that it's already been said by com reps that it's being discussed.

Actually, they do. This is so that:
- Action can be taken pre-emptively while they still have time to take it as such.
- There is no excuse for thinking that the XIV playerbase won't care.

This is something that should have been looked into AND dealt with about 9 months ago when the whole deal started and it became apparent there were issues. And as it is a billing/financial matter, it is NOT bound by the dev team's development cycle, workload or a need for server fixes.

As it wasn't fixed before the XI transfer started, this only emphasizes the need to gain as much exposure on the topic as possible at it must have not sufficiently permeated through to the persons concerned in these financial arrangements. Else XI wouldn't be in the mess they are in and we wouldn't be looking at having the same mess happen in the not too distant future.