Entitled DPS, please stop being entitled

[BristolRuss]

One dps needed experience. His healer friend was supporting him, though she did not need experience.

Me and my friend did not need experience.

So I am entitled for choosing to not kill optional mobs, when it's my role to make that choice in the first place? Okay then....

Perhaps I am wrong for choosing to make my tank vote be the tiebreaker. Guess my friend and I are not equal to the other guy and his friend in value.

So you saw that someone needed the experience but you chose not to help, even though they requested it? That's nice. Sure they could have asked nicely. But they did ask. It doesn't matter if it was a tied vote or not; the point of sub-50 dungeons is for levelling up and you refused to help someone do that because of your belief that tank opinions are worth more than DPS. Calling them entitled? That's the pot calling the kettle black. The princess part of your character name is very apt.

[Adire]

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They didn't ask. They demanded. There is an immense difference. If you have the same reaction to someone who demands of you vs one that asks of you, good on you, but I don't and for good reason.

And for the billionth time. I did not refuse to help them. I offered him a way to get his full clear, I offered him a compromise. I asked him to AoE, not demanded him to, so that it wouldn't take forever for us to complete the dungeon. And he said no and that he and his healer would force us to do it 100% their way.

I know, I know. I'm a terrible person for wanting to get 10% of what me and my friend wanted while giving him 90% of what he wanted. Asking him to press his one AoE button is asking so much while we clear the whole dungeon for him in the meantime.

There are multiple points to sub-50 dungeons. Leveling up is one use of them. Grand Company quests, which is why we were there, is another. One person wanted a full clear because they wanted extra experience, one person wanted that person to get their full clear though they did not need the experience, and two people wanted it done ASAP. What gives someone in there for one reason more of a personal value than someone who is in it for another?

When tanks' jobs are to pull mobs, yes, their opinions on pulling mobs carries more weight in a tie. If you disagree, please explain why tanks are considered by the community and made by SE to be the go-to mob pullers.

You won't see anything other than what you're looking for in my post though and will continue to assume assume and assume about me as a person and ignore things I've said, like that I am more than happy to clear if treated like a human, so I'm wasting my time I'm sure.

[Intaki]

They didn't ask. They demanded. There is an immense difference. If you have the same reaction to someone who demands of you vs one that asks of you, good on you, but I don't and for good reason.

"no skipping anything" is not necessarily a demand. It can be interpreted as one, but that depends entirely upon an assumption of tone. It's not coded politely, sure, but it's a largely tone-neutral statement.

You acted like a child perceiving a slight, so don't get mad when people treat like a child for throwing a tantrum and escalating the situation.

[GenJoe]

"no skipping anything" is not necessarily a demand. It can be interpreted as one, but that depends entirely upon an assumption of tone. It's not coded politely, sure, but it's a largely tone-neutral statement.

You acted like a child perceiving a slight, so don't get mad when people treat like a child for throwing a tantrum and escalating the situation.

I for one, am glad that we're past the days of Diablo II where trading meant shoving an item in people's faces and saying
"need?"
"how much?"
"xx SOJ"

Nuances are very important in personal interaction, I don't blame OP one bit for taking offense to an uncouth oaf unable to articulate speech beyond that of what a 2 year old can.. Only case I make exception for that is when I can obviously tell the person simply is not an English speaker, then I don't mind.. But if you speak the language, there's no excuse to speak like a caveman (a typical portrayal of.. anyway).

I do not understand why people insist on insulting my character by using my OP when I did not insult anyone's character in particular.

Well, truth be told, you did just lump up a large portion of the player base into one group
Even with the Entitled qualifier there, I guess it hits home pretty hard to some and divides up the people into groups (DPS/Healer/Tank)
In either case, some people will be bitter over anything and everything just because they can. Myself included sometimes.

[Adire]

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Another fine example of the forums being welcoming.

Few people (perhaps no one?) has attempted to claim that that is a question rather than a demand. "no skipping anything" is a demand. Following suit by immediately pulling mobs upon suspicion that I was not going listen to the demand reinforces the fact that it was intended to be used in a demanding manner, as does the response to my request that the DPS AoE.

My post was not a tantrum, so much as a story that I wanted to share with people, and a request that people do not behave in the way that this person did towards people they want a favor from. I do not understand why people insist on insulting my character by using my OP when I did not insult anyone's character in particular.

I suppose people will see what they want to see though, right? Asking people to treat others with a little respect is asking too much I suppose. The responses here attest to that. Respond to a story and very general request by insulting my character, amongst other things.

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I think you're getting the wrong idea about me/my post. I never, ever, ever pull more than I think the healer can handle. If I die because it's more than the healer can handle, I do not fuss. I take the blame willingly and admit I made an idiot choice. I suppose I should have clarified that in that post, though I did not have the benefit of hindsight at the time. I always take the healer into account when I pull. I was just saying with that post that is the tank who actually is supposed to DO the act of pulling. Therefore, it's my belief that the act of pulling is most within the realm of the tank's job. If the tank dies because they pull too much or make the healer uncomfortable, then it's their fault as well in that situation. But it's still the job of the tank to pull, and at the same time the job of the tank to take the blame if they pull too much. The tank doesn't have to listen to the healer when they pull, but they'll end up dead or stressing them out beyond necessary. Consequences and whatnot.

This situation was unique as well in that DD offers a way to easily do larger pulls without taking a considerable amount of damage.

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Yeah, I do not stand by my title of my thread at this point and would love to change it if I could. I had assumed people would understand my context that this situation is why I posted and why I referred to DPS specifically, I didn't think everyone would think I had a vendetta against DPS and believe in tanks being the literal master race, and I apologize for that. Hard to understand context online sometimes.

I have since edited my OP to be more generalizing of roles though. People who read the OP should know that the title no longer reflects the post. If they read the title and jump on the "the op sucks and hates dps" bandwagon without bothering to read and attempt understand the OP at this point though, that's their own fault for choosing to be ignorant. Because I've said time and time again that tanks don't get exclusion from having to be decent people.

[Intaki]

I suppose people will see what they want to see though, right?

You certainly did.

[Adire]

You certainly did.

Please elaborate?

[Intaki]

Please elaborate?

You interpreted a statement as a demand. The statement was extremely unclear and offered no tone to analyze, but instead of seeking clarification or engaging in a dialogue you instead engaged in passive aggressive behavior then threw a tantrum when it blew up in your face.

[Tuathaa]

"no skipping anything" is a demand. Following suit by immediately pulling mobs upon suspicion that I was not going listen to the demand reinforces the fact that it was intended to be used in a demanding manner, as does the response to my request that the DPS AoE.

Nope its a statement. If he had said "do not skip anything" that would be a demand. He didn't ask or demand.

You already said you went in there with the intention of skipping and started skipping with out saying anything. Then he started pulling optional mobs. At that point I highly doubt you politely asked him to aoe. It was more than likely a demand on your part.
Your compromise was basically "play the way I want you to play and be a good little boy and I might go back"

Basically he hit a nerve from the get go and you turned an iffy situation into a volatile one.

[Adire]

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It is a statement with a strong demanding tone. Many people have agreed on that already. Please refer to GenJoe's post.

Also, please quote where I said I had the intention to or were unwilling to not skip everything. If I had, why would I have offered him compromise in the first place? I pulled the first two sets of mobs without saying anything, yes, but I picked up the mobs he pulled and offered him a compromise during the fight with those mobs. I saw his demand, refused to follow his order until I figured out how he was going to treat me, and "righted my wrong" so to speak when I helped him out with the extra mobs he pulled.

Was my initial quietness rebellious? Yes, partly in reality. Fully in his eyes possibly. But against a demand, is it unreasonable? No. Is helping him with the mobs he pulled rebellious? No, it's a very reasonable thing to do. Is offering him compromise rebellious? Nope.

I also can't prove that we asked, rather than demanded, that he AoE. Assuming that I was unreasonable about it when I've said many times in this thread that I don't mind doing clears seems to be the worst assumption you could make though. Add to that that we helped him kill the mobs he pulled, and it should give you even more insight into my intent. That intent being that we were willing to compromise. Had I let him tank the mobs? That would have been a different story, sure. But I picked them up for him.

My compromise was basically "Please AoE so that this clear we are about to do for you doesn't take an agonizingly long time for us." Please do not put words into my mouth, Tuathaa. You seem to have a real bias against me here. Why? I don't know, but you are spinning things I've said into the wrong meanings.

We were there to get the dungeon done ASAP. When the healer is wanting a clear and a dps is willing to pull if you don't, it's pretty obvious that going along with the clear will make the dungeon go faster than standing around arguing about it, trying to not do a clear and being left to die, and letting dps pull and cause problems. I am not an idiot.

You are making a lot irrational assumptions that have no basis about me here.

You shouldn't but you shouldn't claim innocence in the issue either. It takes 2 to tango he rubbed you wrong and then you proceeded to rub him wrong and the whole thing went south.

And I have read every post you made in this thread pre and post edits.

It doesn't take two people to have an uncompromising, demanding, entitled person in the group, however.

With the exception of maybe immediately responding to him (I've already addressed why I didn't), I tried what I could to salvage this run.

Edit: Me saying "Why should I have to shoulder most of the blame" was referring to otarolgam saying I should by the way, not referring to your post. Just clarifying!