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[ElHeggunte]

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Maybe if people weren't pretending that classes were "just as good as jobs" in this thread or that coordinated groups pulling it off makes it a good idea all the time your passive-aggressive retort would mean more. The idea that classes are "good enough" is also slippery slope reasoning that leads most players (not necessarily the OP or anyone in this thread) to being as mediocre as they are. Of course classes can perform well in the hands of a skilled player, but people like the OP are kind of the exception and not the rule here.

Though this thread also illustrates the point that how well you can do without your stone also depends on your class. The gains you get from your job stone aren't always as superfluous as what you get going from CNJ to WHM. MNK and NIN for example are kind of dependent on the skills they gain from their stone, let alone the not-so-trivial boost in stats.

People also take WoD "seriously" because it takes time and wasted time from people being terrible is frustrating, no matter what the content is. And before someone pipes in with "well the OP wasn't terrible", yes, I know. But again, the OP is the exception here. Most other players trying to do the exact same thing would fail miserably.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Kind of like every tank who insist on a speed run, regardless on whether or not the rest of the party can handle it.

[Elusana_Celah]

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Just because the classes are better, doesn't mean they are a requirement to perform the task efficiently. I don't need to be a white mage to clear Titan normal either. I can do that as a conjurer. White mage is MORE efficient, but conjurer gets the job done all the same with just a little more work on the player.

Only a troll is going to think that a conjurer is better suited to healing than a white mage so you can safely ignore them. All I'm stating is that a skilled player can perform his or her job in WoD the same with a conjurer as they can with a white mage. Divine seal, regen, benediction aren't deal breakers. Honestly benediction in WoD isn't needed at all if you're healing properly anyways.

Could a divine seal, swiftcast Medica II help save a raid from death because people are acting like retards? Hmm... not really in WoD no. I main white mage and have healing exp all the way into T13 and have run way too many WoDs to count so I'm merely speaking from experience. The extra efficiency and 30 or so MND gained from being a white mage isn't going to carry the raid in WoD anymore than a conjurer in the hands of a skilled player because WoD just doesn't have serious demands for what a white mage has to offer.

[ElHeggunte]

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That's just the thing though. It isn't necessary for skilled players such as yourself or the OP, but we're not talking about skilled players. I'm talking about the majority of the other people you get in your DF groups. For the average FFXIV player those bonuses that you think are insignificant can make or break their entire performance. Or the lack of a stone would take their poor performance and make it even worse. My beef with this thread is the idea that X player or group clearing content without stones somehow means that it's a good idea for anyone to attempt anywhere.

[Elusana_Celah]

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So basically your fear is that sucky worthless players will be given false ideas that running classes over jobs will magically make them not suck anymore?

Sorry to burst your bubble but whether they're jobs or classes matters not. If they suck, they suck and they're still going to waste your time wiping your raids anyways. World of Dumbasses is what I've dubbed it. Queueing it is a RNG of its own.