More fun times in WoD

[Wobi]

DPS screwed up and failed at doing their job then blamed a healer, sounds like how things usually go in the DF.

I'd say about 99% of my commendations go to healers, that being said there are plenty of terrible ones out there just trying to ride by on fast queues. If a person joins a raid without the intent of playing to the best of their ability and using all the tools available to them, then save everyone else the trouble and don't bother queuing at all. Healing WoD is tough, I've done it several times but I also notice people don't seem to DPS enough when they could be helping out a bit. Being that SCH spends their first 30 levels as a DPS and the Conjurer story actually spells out that Healing alone isn't the way to be a conjurer/white mage you'd think some of them would have taken the hint

[Aethaeryn]

I'd say about 99% of my commendations go to healers, that being said there are plenty of terrible ones out there just trying to ride by on fast queues. If a person joins a raid without the intent of playing to the best of their ability and using all the tools available to them, then save everyone else the trouble and don't bother queuing at all. Healing WoD is tough, I've done it several times but I also notice people don't seem to DPS enough when they could be helping out a bit. Being that SCH spends their first 30 levels as a DPS and the Conjurer story actually spells out that Healing alone isn't the way to be a conjurer/white mage you'd think some of them would have taken the hint

No, this attitude needs to stop. A healer's job is to heal things. It is OPTIONAL for a healer to dps. It's nice when a healer feels comfortable enough to help contribute to damage dealt, but you should not be pressuring that player to do it. If it's necessary for clearing the latest coil or something, that's different. I personally would be bored to tears if I didn't DPS in dungeons/WoD/etc. on white mage and scholar, but some people prefer to only heal and may not have the experience or coordination to do both.

Anyway, on topic. I had a whole party of friends queue for WoD as classes like two weeks ago, and it actually made WoD feel a little bit more interesting for all of us. I had just spent the entire week running WoD 10+ times per evening trying to get tank coat, so it was nice to do something a little different. No one even noticed until we got to Cloud, and then a couple of people were thanking us for "slowing the run down for everyone" ... But it had been less than 30 minutes and we were already on Cloud, which is a lot faster than most groups I've had in there. Someone else pointed out that all five of our dps were the top five dps too, so I'm not really sure how we were significantly slowing the group.

Would it have been a little faster with us on jobs instead of classes? Of course. WoD would be faster if everyone went on their best geared jobs instead of going on lesser geared ones to try and procure new shinies too, but you'll never see anyone complaining about them intentionally handicapping themselves at the expense of others.

[Lyrinn]

No, this attitude needs to stop. A healer's job is to heal things. It is OPTIONAL for a healer to dps. It's nice when a healer feels comfortable enough to help contribute to damage dealt, but you should not be pressuring that player to do it. If it's necessary for clearing the latest coil or something, that's different. I personally would be bored to tears if I didn't DPS in dungeons/WoD/etc. on white mage and scholar, but some people prefer to only heal and may not have the experience or coordination to do both.

Name one other job that's essentially allowed to afk in the middle of a battle. Oh right, there isn't one. So why should healers be treated any differently? Look at an off-tank for example. His job is to pick up adds. Would you object to an off-tank standing around doing nothing, i.e. not DPSing, when there are no adds to pick up? Bet you 99.9% of people would. Hypocrites.

The whole "healing full-time" argument might have had merit ... if there were actually healers who did just that - heal people in the other two parties, raise, stoneskin, something, anything productive. Instead, you typically get 4 healers not in the MT group who just watch and wait for someone in their own parties to die before doing something.

Anyways, on-topic: when people with their soul stones equipped perform better than someone on a class, then they have the right to complain. Until then, all these WAR/PLDs who can't pick up adds or hold hate, sub-200 DPS everything, and WHM/SCH who do nothing but spam Medica II/afk-fairy-heal can go work on carrying their own weights first.

[Aethaeryn]

Name one other job that's essentially allowed to afk in the middle of a battle. Oh right, there isn't one. So why should healers be treated any differently? Look at an off-tank for example. His job is to pick up adds. Would you object to an off-tank standing around doing nothing, i.e. not DPSing, when there are no adds to pick up? Bet you 99.9% of people would. Hypocrites.

The whole "healing full-time" argument might have had merit ... if there were actually healers who did just that - heal people in the other two parties, raise, stoneskin, something, anything productive. Instead, you typically get 4 healers not in the MT group who just watch and wait for someone in their own parties to die before doing something.

You're missing my point. Trying to force someone to dps on healer when they are not comfortable with it is wrong. If it's just someone being lazy, that's completely different and I even agree with you. However, we have people from all sorts of gaming background (and lots who have never touched an MMORPG before FFXIV), and some people may lack the coordination required for multitasking heals and dps as a result. Have you never had a dungeon run with a healer that seemed to struggle to keep the party alive even during non-speedrun pulls? Just because it's easy for you or me doesn't mean it is for everyone else. You can't apply that argument to an offtank standing around or a dps going afk in the middle of a fight.

Similarly, I would never complain if a tank was uncomfortable with speedrunning and didn't want to pull more than one or two groups at a time. However, almost every time I have a dungeon like that, someone will harass the tank for not doing "big pulls" or even try to pull for them, and it turns into a bad time for the entire group. If you want some super fast group, make your own party and stop harassing people in duty finder.

[Darra]

Name one other job that's essentially allowed to afk in the middle of a battle. Oh right, there isn't one. So why should healers be treated any differently? Look at an off-tank for example.

I afk all the time in WOD as a tank, I always pull the first trash pack hastily, then the first boss, because I hate my time being wasted by half a dozen ready checks and for paladins to stoneskin their entire party. After that I spend 70% of my time auto-attacking because I find that place fills me with a sense of ennui, so I tab out. If my measly 250dps is enough to prevent a wipe, well that's one awful group of 15 DPS. When I go in as a Scholar, unless I am in the MT group, I mostly afk it too, I also wouldn't object to an AFK off tank, it means I actually get a bit of a challenge with healing or using Fluid Aura + Repose.

[silverhope]

I afk all the time in WOD as a tank, I always pull the first trash pack hastily, then the first boss, because I hate my time being wasted by half a dozen ready checks and for paladins to stoneskin their entire party. After that I spend 70% of my time auto-attacking because I find that place fills me with a sense of ennui, so I tab out. If my measly 250dps is enough to prevent a wipe, well that's one awful group of 15 DPS. When I go in as a Scholar, unless I am in the MT group, I mostly afk it too, I also wouldn't object to an AFK off tank, it means I actually get a bit of a challenge with healing or using Fluid Aura + Repose.

so if adds need to be picked up or MT dies you dont much care? lovley. and this is why I have to heal every group and rez everyone that dies cuz other healers are jsut afk guess im the fool.

[Darra]

If the MT dies (a rare occurrence), I pick up the boss, assuming it wasn't me tanking it to begin with. Adds in ST and WOD really do not require a tank to tank them, about the only exception is when a bad white mage spams Medica 2 and ends up having to tank/kite 3-4 mobs. WOD, ST and CT are a joke for how easy they are, (most wipes are impossible to prevent as a healer, we don't have a "Cure Stupidity" spell, nor do we have a "Regen Ability to DPS Properly" spell) it's obvious that during any given run at least 4-5 people are afk or semi-afk, barely playing because there is no need for them to do so. I personally welcome more healers be lazy, I might have to try (and actually have fun) then rather than run about pretending like I'm doing my job.

[Mugiawara]

I afk all the time in WOD as a tank, I always pull the first trash pack hastily, then the first boss, because I hate my time being wasted by half a dozen ready checks and for paladins to stoneskin their entire party. After that I spend 70% of my time auto-attacking because I find that place fills me with a sense of ennui, so I tab out. If my measly 250dps is enough to prevent a wipe, well that's one awful group of 15 DPS. When I go in as a Scholar, unless I am in the MT group, I mostly afk it too, I also wouldn't object to an AFK off tank, it means I actually get a bit of a challenge with healing or using Fluid Aura + Repose.

I don't have much against OP doing what she does because she's actually trying and healing, so I say go for it. I'll probably have a harder time in WoD but eh...
You on the other hand...and if I am readind this correctly...
The rest of us are trying to do our job and you sittin' over there chilling.
Don't queue for a healer if you aren't going to do your job any. It's your job, you heal.
You don't sit and afk. Eos ain't enough. WoD is easy but there's no reason why you should make it
harder on everyone else especially your team healer. [Admittedly, healing is not that hard there, but when crap hits the fan we'll need you.]
Also it's probably harder to heal as a WHM because they need to take care of their MP management better than us SCH. You're stressing them.
You can also help the other team heal and res as well. You don't ALWAYS focus your own alliance.

[Adire]

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WoD is actually very casual content. It's not hard to heal there for me. I actually find it very easy, as do many other people. I played to the best of my ability, just didn't have all the abilities available. Why? Because they are unnecessary and actually are only conveniences for me in WoD.

And as someone else said, the idea that healers have to dps really does need to stop. There is not a dps check in the game that is so hard that healers are required to dps in order to meet it, only ones that are too hard for some dps to be skilled enough for. Healer dps should be a bonus, not a requirement.

It's always easy to blame the healer though, even for dps lacking. It's an MMO tradition.

[Wobi]

WoD is actually very casual content. It's not hard to heal there for me. I actually find it very easy, as do many other people. I played to the best of my ability, just didn't have all the abilities available. Why? Because they are unnecessary and actually are only conveniences for me in WoD.

And as someone else said, the idea that healers have to dps really does need to stop. There is not a dps check in the game that is so hard that healers are required to dps in order to meet it, only ones that are too hard for some dps to be skilled enough for. Healer dps should be a bonus, not a requirement.

It's always easy to blame the healer though, even for dps lacking. It's an MMO tradition.

If it's that easy then there is no reason that a quick Bio/Aero maybe even a Miasma II or Holy could be dropped on the trash packs. As you said it's really "casual"... which must explain why I see at least 4-5 wipes a week on a regular basis. I'm not asking for full on multi-tasking stance dancing here. Just don't stand around doing absolutely nothing, which I see often.

I find it funnier when people get upset with me for DPS and no ones health has dropped below 85%, because overhealing is totally pro. No one is blaming healers, quit making things up. The blame lies with people on any job/class slacking off expecting the rest of the raid do carry them to the end. If someone plans to join and they plan to lot on the gear then I fully expect them to put in some actual effort.

I mark AFK players in WoD now so others take note of people sitting there doing nothing the entire battle and kick them afterwards, others should follow suit and you'd have a lot less of this problem occuring.