More fun times in WoD

[Adire]

So, I was bored last night and decided to queue for WoD as a CNJ.

People raged and called me a noob immediately at the start, before we even start fighting anything, mostly dps doing it.

I raised several healers from other parties, healed people in other parties, raised them, kept my party stoneskinned and fully healed with only 1 person having a doom death on Angra with otherwise no deaths in our party, and threw in some dps myself.

We get to the dragon, wipe twice due to dps (with soulstones) failing to kill the heads fast enough (second time we got slime silenced right before discordance), and abandoned the duty.

Soulstones can be overrated.

[Elusana_Celah]

I queued WoD in i90 gear as an i90 tank with i60 weapon and took hate from the i135 relic warrior on first boss causing the raid to get laser beamed... while I was in sword oath.

Now THAT is fun times... also super sad times.

Then that same warrior couldn't take hydra from DPS and hydra was stampeding across the place killing DPS left and right so I managed to grab it, and run it to the right spot and proceeded to main tank it.

I understand skill > gear but my gear as a tank shouldn't have done a better job than a fully geared max relic warrior cuz gear makes a huge difference on enmity generation lol.

Oh well, I got everything I needed from WoD and won't be returning :3

[Darra]

I knew a guy that used to do Garuda Extreme as a CNJ using provoke on the spiny plume when the tanks failed. This was long before echo was added and before most people could even claim to be able to farm it. Playing as classes rather than jobs can be a viable option some times, and it's not like WOD is even difficult, unless you get stuck with a lot of players with the collective IQ of a cucumber.

[Aerowaffle]

Yes, sometimes people blame others for mistakes on their part. But let me ask you,

What would you have done if people could have been saved if you were able to cast the whitemage job abilities? Shrugged and said, "Oh well, I'm a troll"? Intentionally gimping yourself (for no reason other than doing it) in a group of random strangers is pretty insulting.

[Adire]

Yes, sometimes people blame others for mistakes on their part. But let me ask you,

What would you have done if people could have been saved if you were able to cast the whitemage job abilities? Shrugged and said, "Oh well, I'm a troll"? Intentionally gimping yourself (for no reason other than doing it) in a group of random strangers is pretty insulting.

If that would have happened, I would have simply understood that I or my group failed. WoD really isn't hard enough to require the emergency healing abilities of WHM (unless other people are not doing their jobs). If I require benediction or divine seal there, there are deeper problems than not having a soulstone. That problem will either be I'm not doing a good enough job with the more than adequate skills for that duty that a CNJ has, or the group is failing really badly.

I think you're overthinking things here. Besides, I consider myself quite a skilled player and have been told that I am before, and my skill as a CNJ will always outweigh a WHM with terrible skill. If WoD was too hard for me or my group as a CNJ, I would not have gone in as one. The damage output for the most part in WoD is very low as long as people do their jobs.

It's not "insulting", as I do more than my part in there, and I enjoy challenging myself. It's as much anyone else's responsibility to avoid dying and taking damage from preventable things than it is mine to keep them alive through preventable damage. If the excess healing from WHM abilities is needed in WoD, then that means someone else isn't doing their job, so I would not take responsibility for their mess up any more than the person themselves (or group as a whole) should.

tl;dr version: In short, my job is to heal. Everyone's job is to do mechanics. If they do mechanics, I can do my job just fine as a CNJ in WoD. As such, unless I just plain out derp, it's not fair to blame me for someone dying. Not to mention, I'm already 18 ilvls over the required one for WoD...

I knew a guy that used to do Garuda Extreme as a CNJ using provoke on the spiny plume when the tanks failed. This was long before echo was added and before most people could even claim to be able to farm it. Playing as classes rather than jobs can be a viable option some times, and it's not like WOD is even difficult, unless you get stuck with a lot of players with the collective IQ of a cucumber.

This guy gets it!

[Voltron_HD]

this week has been an award winning week for WoD. Ive been going in as WHM (collecting gear) and my counterpart healer all times this week has been the definition of suckage. First ones to die (how!?!??!) and cast cure every now and then. I want to put them on blast, but then I realize its just a waste of time and effort.

[Aerowaffle]

*snip*

As a healer, you're suppose to keep people alive (to the best of your ability). In DF, at least half of your job will be healing people who screwed up. Regardless of what role you play, other people will probably screw up and place you in a situation where you may put forth additional effort to alleviate their mistake. If you have the capability to correct someone else's mistake, and don't, you're not exactly operating as a team player.

[Adire]

I know the pain Vivvien. Thankfully I usually have an adequately competent healing partner.

But those wipes from DPS derping en masse....bleh

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Quite true! However, it still doesn't change the fact that blaming me is not fair. And still doesn't change the fact that even when people screw up in WoD, CNJ abilities still get the job done for most fights.

I'm more than happy to put forth extra effort if needed. However, benediction is an instant emergency heal with a long cooldown, intended to make up for sudden changes in damage/healing (neither of which should require benediction in WoD, as WoD's damage spikes are not that severe and are predictable, and are not followed up by immediate damage in most cases). Divine seal only supplements the healing a WHM/CNJ can already do, and my healing is already more powerful than requested for the duty. Neither of these are putting forth any more "effort" than I can already do. Same goes for regen.

The effort I put forth has nothing to do with what skills I have available. And the extra skills a WHM has are not needed with a decent group in WoD, and are crutches for bad groups in WoD. If you want to be a good player or get a good idea of how successful things are going, it's good practice to not rely on crutches.

SE gave people the option to go into level 50 duties as classes rather than jobs for a reason after all. And my party's survivability (and skill at handling mechanics), even allowing me to have time to dps in this instance proves that WoD is not a pain to heal when people do their jobs.

[Lemuria]

While I can see some benefits, when it comes to conjurer the cons outweigh the pros. We lose Regen, Divine Seal, and Benediction. Regen saves a ton of MP, Divine Seal can greatly boost our curative skills and Benediction... well, that needs no introduction.

Cross-class skills are hugely limited for Conjurer and the ones which can truly benefit us are also available to us as White Mage. Furthermore, the soulstone not only gives us access to those skills, but also increases our stats.

So, yeah... it can be done. But that doesn't necessarily mean it should be done.

[Darra]

As a healer, you're suppose to keep people alive (to the best of your ability). In DF, at least half of your job will be healing people who screwed up. Regardless of what role you play, other people will probably screw up and place you in a situation where you may put forth additional effort to alleviate their mistake. If you have the capability to correct someone else's mistake, and don't, you're not exactly operating as a team player.

So based on your statement, tanks that wear STR accessories (and therefore have less parry mitigation and less HP, and are harder to keep alive), are in fact "not exactly operating as a team player". Or what about the scholar that plays in cleric stance 95% of the time and fails to turn it off in time to heal when the other healer messes up, are they too "not exactly operating as a team player"?

The OP wasn't struggling to heal, the problem in the WOD he/she was doing was that the DPS were bad, the other problem was ignorance on behalf of the players placing blame and belittling them for going in without a job crystal, as if that's the thing that will make or break a group. Believe it or not, whilst this game isn't designed to give players much in the way of choice, the choices available can be viable options and I personally wish there was far more choices than what we have.