RMT, I'm seriously pissed! >:<

[nuyu11]

So they attack Jap region now?
Nooooo........

[Haru]

Theres one bot on excalibur that just sends friend requests but his name is the website the <r> /blacklist /deny doesnt work as he doesnt send you a tell.
Also if you get another tell before hitting that macro it doesnt work so there are limitations to its usefulness..

[seida]

Let me ask this: do you think the percentage of na players who buy gil is EQUAL to the number of jp players who buy gil?

And you really believe jp servers get some special filters that the na servers don't get?

You don't think if there was money to be made the gil sellers wouldn't find a way around it?

It just really seems like you're reaching... When the simplest explanation is just that the market is smaller.

[Teryaani]

Let me ask this: do you think the percentage of na players who buy gil is EQUAL to the number of jp players who buy gil?

RMT Traders have found it unprofitable to use /tell spam on JP servers due to differences in enforcement mechanisms (and possible availability of safer avenues to buy gil). The fact that the sellers can spam the NA/EU servers with impunity and it helps them get more customers drives the rates of gil buying up in those data centers.

Were SE to implement better controls on NA/EU servers, the rates would drop drastically along with the number of compromised accounts. My theory is that they would drop to levels similar to the JP data centers.

Already answered your question.

And you really believe jp servers get some special filters that the na servers don't get?

I think they do, and I think they get more attention from Square as well.

You don't think if there was money to be made the gil sellers wouldn't find a way around it?

They have found a way around it. The customer comes to them directly thanks to external advertisements rather than in game ones.

It just really seems like you're reaching... When the simplest explanation is just that the market is smaller.

It might be smaller, but it's still present and profitable or the sellers wouldn't maintain a presence and supply on the servers of that data center.

[seida]

I'm not denying it exists, I just think it's significantly smaller. Two more points:

1) I think one of the main motivators in buying gil is for buying coil runs etc. Selling runs on jp servers is very rare (never see it, but it's probably happened. )

2) I think it is literally difficult for most jp players to pay for gil. A lot of people don't have credit cards. PayPal is almost unheard of.

So I'm not saying the reason is entirely because of morals.

But I also genuinely don't understand why you think se would deny na servers better filters if they already existed on jp servers.

[Teryaani]

I'm not denying it exists, I just think it's significantly smaller. Two more points:

1) I think one of the main motivators in buying gil is for buying coil runs etc. Selling runs on jp servers is very rare (never see it, but it's probably happened. )

2) I think it is literally difficult for most jp players to pay for gil. A lot of people don't have credit cards. PayPal is almost unheard of.

So I'm not saying the reason is entirely because of morals.

But I also genuinely don't understand why you think se would deny na servers better filters if they already existed on jp servers.

You may be right on the payment methods as a reason for there being less of it. I think I need to clarify the filter point. It's the same filter, but I think the filter is easier to bypass if the spam is in English. It's the same things being looked for, but the keyword search is weaker when the person uses the mish mash of special characters to screw with it. I have no doubt that if they thought it would bring them business, they'd find a way to screw with the JP text search too, but if the market is smaller and people come to you....why bother?

There is the perception among the EU and NA players, and I don't think it's wrong, that SE gives a lot more love to the servers in it's JP data centers. It's no different than Blizzard giving more love to it's US servers over its EU and Brazil data centers. It's where the devs play. It's their patch, so they weed it better.

[Kosmos992k]

There is the perception among the EU and NA players, and I don't think it's wrong, that SE gives a lot more love to the servers in it's JP data centers. It's no different than Blizzard giving more love to it's US servers over its EU and Brazil data centers. It's where the devs play. It's their patch, so they weed it better.

OK, I have tried to stay out of this, but you are coming across as borderline xenophobic with your obstinate suspicion that SE somehow favors JP customers and deliberately neglects others. Frankly, your posts in this topic have sounded like the "ugly American", almost as if you just have to show that the Japanese are as bad or worse than American/European gamers. Say what you like, but Japanese society is very different from what you have experience of, and citing coworkers going to Japan does not help your case at all. So, please just stop.

[Starcade]

OK, I have tried to stay out of this, but you are coming across as borderline xenophobic with your obstinate suspicion that SE somehow favors JP customers and deliberately neglects others. Frankly, your posts in this topic have sounded like the "ugly American", almost as if you just have to show that the Japanese are as bad or worse than American/European gamers. Say what you like, but Japanese society is very different from what you have experience of, and citing coworkers going to Japan does not help your case at all. So, please just stop.

I'd agree, except Square-Enix has a long history of doing just that in their previous MMORPG. You can say what you want in that regard, but the fact is that the company has a large track record of doing exactly what you believe Teryaani has said.

[Kosmos992k]

I'd agree, except Square-Enix has a long history of doing just that in their previous MMORPG. You can say what you want in that regard, but the fact is that the company has a large track record of doing exactly what you believe Teryaani has said.

First of all, you'll need to post proof or retract. Second of all, you definitely need to post proof of deliberate neglect because cultural and language differences can create an impression among those outside Japan that Japanese companies will give preferential treatment to their home market, just as the same perspective can be felt in reverse. However in neither case is preferential treatment or deliberate neglect the issue.

The issue is cultural and linguistic. Western gamers can hardly understand precisely how well, or not, Japanese gamers are dealt with since they do not see what happens from the same perspective as the Japanese customers. Japanese customers on the other hand cannot see the difficulties that we face with SE, and I would be unsurprised if they feel that SE somehow favors western gamers with many of the changes that have been made to the game. It cuts both ways.

So, as I say, if you have proof, not anecdotal evidence with posts by FFXI forum denizens; but actual proof of a substantive policy that treats western customers in a significantly poorer way than Japanese customers, post it. Otherwise, you're just pushing another opinion.

[Luvbunny]

RMT use many smaller server as their "farmer" clusters, here they create massive armies of Black Mages to create materias by bucket loads. Then they load them all into one account that is being transferred to one of those "money making" America + Europe servers and sells the materias to make gills (from players) and go back to sell those gills to players, who in turn giving the gills back to RMT via market board gil laundering system. You can use Belias as example, if you search players, you will quickly notice bazilion thaumarge + black mages with barebones details and "randomized" name that is semi normal. They keep low profiles there since they are using those low population servers as "farm" central. SE should target these and destroy their source of income...