Revelations from Patch 2.55 [SPOILERS]

[gamesmart]

The one that that bothers me is that Riol only told to our WoL about the whole conspiracy, and didn't think about telling Alphinaud of all people.

Given what happened to Wilred (I think that's the name), and possibly others...Riol probably thought it was a good idea NOT to tell anyone else affiliated with the Braves about it, lest he "disappear" as well. You were the only one he could trust enough to confide such information to.

[PArcher]

Given what happened to Wilred (I think that's the name), and possibly others...Riol probably thought it was a good idea NOT to tell anyone else affiliated with the Braves about it, lest he "disappear" as well. You were the only one he could trust enough to confide such information to.

I assume this too. He may have even suspected alphinaud as well.

[dragonflie]

To be honest, Alphinaud would have told Ilberd, whom he trusted, which may have made things worse.

Ah true, I suppose he would have in his naivety.

Given what happened to Wilred (I think that's the name), and possibly others...Riol probably thought it was a good idea NOT to tell anyone else affiliated with the Braves about it, lest he "disappear" as well. You were the only one he could trust enough to confide such information to.

He was close to Y'shtola though, and she could have passed the message to the others 'Oh hey guys, one of the braves just died, maybe we should hold off to investigate?'

[Cilia]

Don't know why Flames or Sultansworn should trust the Crystal Braves. I did not, there was no reason for this (and we already got traitors inside them...). We just asked pretty much everyone, if s/he likes to join. A bunch of mercenaries. Just was surprised, how many are there out of sudden. Probably all bought with the money of Monetarists, Alphinaud gladly accepted.

Actually would have said "No, forget it, I won't help you with that", to Alphinaud, if he asked me to help with such a stupid idea. But since there was no choice... :/

Well I was leery about both some of the recruits *cough*Laurentius*cough* and that the funds were coming from the Syndicate, but as time went on and we did missions together I started to trust some of the Braves, especially Ilberd. So while I wasn't surprised that there were some bad apples (there's always some), the extent of the corruption within the organization really surprised me, especially Ilberd.

[lilirulu]

I don't remember who, but someone (I think it was Ilberd? It was one of the first cutscenes) had proposed it and it went unopposed. Since most were trusting the Braves up to that point, Raubanh most likely didn't even say a thing about it, since he was probably like 'Oh hey Ilberd is my buddy, he won't let anything go wrong, no problemo!'.

The one that that bothers me is that Riol only told to our WoL about the whole conspiracy, and didn't think about telling Alphinaud of all people.

Raubahn was the one who proposed allowing the Brass Blades to have more control of guarding the city so he could send more Immortal Flames troops to Ishgard during the initial dragon attack/Steps of Faith battle and Nanamo agreed to it. Though, she was incredibly distracted at the time thanks to her plans to abdicate the throne so she didn't notice what an incredibly stupid idea it was.

[Hestern_Nestern]

I'll just leave these here...





Are you as angry as I am?

((I have an idea about Zodiark and the Rejoining I'd like to run past others, but it might need its own thread))

[gamesmart]

Ilberd being a giant jerk

I believe this was mentioned before either in this thread or one in GD, but this was definitely intentional, and one reason why the act was so shocking. Very well played on SE's part.

And because he said that, I'm 99% sure that he's going to be eating those words sometime in 3.0. Hopefully by our hands.

[Belhi]

The Flames were moved out of the city by Raubahn because they were needed on frontlines to free up people to support Ishgard. The Sultansworn were not but the Sultansworn have been deeply infiltrated by agents of the Monetarists already so in this incident wouldn't have been too reliable. The Monetarists have been corrupting major institutions for years, assassinating figures that presented threats to their plans. We see some of this in the Paladin Job quests.

The Crystal Braves were supposed to represent a multinational force able to focus on concerns to all of Eorzea rather than just the separate city states. The idea was to demonstrate the value of a force that could work independent of each city state's individual concerns. On paper that was sound and financially they were supposed to be broadly supported without too much reliance on any individual group as to maintain their neutral standing. The who thing with the book irregularities that got Wilard killed was because the numbers were being fudged to hide how much was coming from Monetarist backing.

Lets be clear. With Ul'dah, all the military forces except the Sultansworn are built out of mercenaries. The Immortal Flames were formed in basically the same fashion as the Crystal Braves and they are one of our best allies. In fact, the Immortal Flames are probably more trustworthy to us than the bulk of the Sultansworn, any of whom apart from their captain, could be in the Monetarist's pocket.

I don't think Raubahn and the others thought the Monetarists would take such an extreme step. This coup is high risk for them. They put a lot at risk. They already had most of the political control. If Raubahn had known of Nanamo's plan he might have been more cautious but Nanamo didn't tell him.

Personally I want to see Raubahn bring Ilberd low. I think he is the one deserving of bringing that reckoning. Just let me kick Lolorito's smug ass and Ill be happy.

[Cilia]

Personally I want to see Raubahn bring Ilberd low. I think he is the one deserving of bringing that reckoning. Just let me kick Lolorito's smug ass and Ill be happy.

I'll take 'em both on. Nobody frames me for regicide, dismembers my General, and gets away with it.

[Viridiana]

On paper that was sound and financially they were supposed to be broadly supported without too much reliance on any individual group as to maintain their neutral standing.

In retrospect, how was that ever going to work? The only reason the other cities put up with Ul'dah's bullcrap is because Ul'dah has all the money. And that's been the case for a long time now. Without withdrawing money from the GCs or other aspects of the Eorzean Alliance, there isn't enough money to fund. . .anything big, really. If something big is being funded, the bulk of it *has* to be coming from Ul'dah. That means the Syndicate at best, Monetarists at worst.