Speed run etiquette

[KisaiTenshi]

There seems to be no speed run etiquette. It would be polite, if you want to do anything other than a full run normal clear. IE do the instance as it was intended, 1 group at a time all mobs ect.

Careful, that seems like fighting words to some people on the forum.

Doing things as intended = "omg I can't minmax damage", or "omg this is tortuously slow"

I am the healer and I am chasing them, I have to sprint to keep up.

That's the sign of a bad tank, and if they're going to do that, let them die. For example (these are from frames from a streaming video taken during the first time I played the dungeons):
AK Hard - Sometimes parties wipe here because the tank runs too far ahead, and the Demonic Rose hits the tank or the healer with debuffs. Better to pull the mobs off the vine path, because fighting on the path has less area to dodge the AOE if the tank or DPS fails to stun it.


WP Hard - As soon as the tank turns this corner, I can't heal them. It's better to kill the mobs before going down.


There's also some stretches of the Lost City of Amdapor and Pharos Sirius that the Tank can easily get lost behind obstructions in trying to speedpull. In particular that first stretch in Pharos Sirius, I've had tanks wipe right outside the door because they pull the entire set of mobs from the entrance to it, but because there is that large obstruction right before the door, you can't heal them until you're past it, which is usually too late.

If a tank takes off without waiting for stoneskin, they are playing bad. SS is what gives tanks that extra 10-15 seconds they need for the healer to catch up and cast since healers have to stop moving to cast, and can't cast before the tank stops.

Every time I come to the forum and see a thread with a title indicating a tale of woe, I jump straight in expecting to find a player was verbally abused, suffered because of their gender or race or sexuality or fetish, but what I find is time after time, another trivial thread because someone online thinks everyone else should conform to their sense of etiquette (or netiquette).

"Cause it's the internet, land of the mean entitled asshats who complain about stuff I like"

Hey there's at least one one forumer who has attacked me in two different threads, and two people who seem incessant on replying to everything I post with an air of superiority because they think I'm an idiot. People shouldn't need a thick skin to interact with people online, but the expectation is that everyone is going to be mean, so you put on your mean face and assume everyone who doesn't agree with you is probably a NEET.

[Charisma]

WP Hard - As soon as the tank turns this corner, I can't heal them. It's better to kill the mobs before going down.

Not that i would ever defend those speed running monkeys, but tanks cant run away from healers, you can sprint whenever you want, dont refuse to use your ressources and then blame it on the tank running away..

I dont really like speed running, but i also dont like slow players.. dont stand around after mob packs, if you cant multi task texting on your phone or messenger dont do it while in a dungeon, or atleast do it at those faceroll bossfights.

The only type of tanks not even god can help, are the ones who run trough pack of mobs, without gaining a single point of emity, and who then wonder, when they die on their way to the last mob pack.

[AlexionSkylark]

The problem is really simple... people assume speedrunning is the default. Well, IT IS NOT.

[Magusrex]

I'm not asking for much. I would honestly settle for r? and if everyone responds y I'm good, or a ready check. Either gives me a moment to communicate. Some of the responses here are pushing me towards taking a harder line with this. I am waiting until everyone is ready, if someone stays at the entrance I am waiting for them. If the rest of us are greeting one another and you just leave..buh bye. I will deal with the consequences if an SOE representative informs me that is a violation of the ToS. You telling me it is a violation is meaningless. If everyone runs off I will do my best to follow and heal. I will make a macro that I can press that will ask to wait a moment. By a moment I mean a few seconds.

I play a Warrior and Paladin so I know what tools are in your bag and I am happy to run fast with them. I have learned that the runs go faster, are more successful and pleasant if I pay attention to the other people in my party. After every multiple group pull I pause and make sure everyone is ready, if I think they are not, I drop a ready check or type R? This little pause give cooldowns a chance and makes a huge difference.

I guess I have issue with people who have no regard for other people's desire in a group endeavor. You are not asking or informing. You are making the decision for me and everyone else. It is selfish and rude.

[Teryaani]

I'm going off on a limb here, but I do believe that with OP refusing to heal the players and intentionally causing wipes is in fact griefing the group which goes against the ToS (maybe not ToS but I know its reportable and punishable from what I've read). So what OP is doing by healing is actually worse then what the other people in the group are doing.

I'm not a big fan of "Educational" non-healing, but the GMs treat that sort of thing as a "difference in play style" and it's probably not going to go anywhere in a complaint. Especially when there are completely legitimate reasons for a healer to de-prioritize healing someone, even a tank.

I've had the healer I run with stop healing the tank and focus on the dps and herself in runs before when the tank wasn't holding threat, was standing in things, and wasn't popping CDs to mitigate damage. It's rare, but it happens.

[Satia]

The problem is really simple... people assume speedrunning is the default. Well, IT IS NOT.

Say's you.... well..

[Lego3400]

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IF you'd be wipeing every other pull at the minimum required iLevel for the dungon, you're pulling to much and speeding. No deaths at that level is the speed the dungon is ment for. Not the "I out gear this by 50 iLevel so let's throw caution to the wind" speed.