Has it always been like this or...?

[Mugiawara]

Here is the most detailed version I could find on a cursory search of the forums.



As Camate inferred, the context in the topic is about loot agreements, but it is applicable to anything having to do with DF.

Watches a CS because that's how they intended it to be then my account gets banned because people who ran it 5k times get pissy.
But they tell us the reason why they get bonus's is because of the newbie and it was some incentive. Let's see...Newbie with horrible experience because of people or being kicked = Possible lost of player.
Angry tryhard vet's...they get mad and that's it, continue their way kicking people. The side who is losing is the newbies...SE is losing money.
Hahahaaaaaaaaaaa. Oh well, nothing you can do on this one but change how the system works.
They wasted time and effort. The only thing I can agree is they NEED to make these things solo, and have a helping hand of NPC's and dummy down the difficulty by a margin.
Make it literally...story only mode. There, no ones pissed off anymore.

[dekal]

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaa. Oh well, nothing you can do on this one but change how the system works.
They wasted time and effort. The only thing I can agree is they NEED to make these things solo, and have a helping hand of NPC's and dummy down the difficulty by a margin.
Make it literally...story only mode. There, no ones pissed off anymore.

Thay idea remind me to SWTOR. They made a dummy to help any first timer doing a dungeon that is mandatory to make a group (main story). Only the person entering for the first time get the bonus and gears drop, and she/he can take all the time to fish that dungeon. By the second time you try to farm that place you are forced to queue, and the CS are minimum to none because you already watch the CS in story mode. They should do the same here. In that way everybody is happy.

[Caraway]

You can't blame the players, it's the developer's fault, they mixed the cutscene part of the game with the actual gameplay part of the game.

This is really more the fault of developers than players.

I really don't get this... The developers didn't tell you to curse at the new player. It didn't say you should ridicule them for not already knowing the way you want to run the dungeon.

This is not the developers' fault and it solely on the shoulders of the community for not communicating. This isn't an issue limited to this game or to this scenario. This is endemic of the modern MMO scene.

As was said before, there are differences of opinion as to who should be entitled to what (I've made my point plenty of times, won't reiterate it here), but what shouldn't be a discussion is whether or not it's okay to insult the person who isn't agreeing with you.

Modern MMO players don't treat other players as people and that's the problem.

Everyone should be forthright about their intentions when they arrive in a dungeon, and communicate with each other.