Has it always been like this or...?

[Rufalus]

Ok, after seeing this and numerous similar topics, the obvious conclusion is that party content should never contain story cutscenes.

Regarding CM and Prae, with priority these should be among the first to be modified into solo content (perhaps with npc allies), and the main scenario roulette can thus be removed since it will no longer be necessary to help new players complete these instances.

[SpiritMuse]

Ok, after seeing this and numerous similar topics, the obvious conclusion is that party content should never contain story cutscenes.

Regarding CM and Prae, with priority these should be among the first to be modified into solo content (perhaps with npc allies), and the main scenario roulette can thus be removed since it will no longer be necessary to help new players complete these instances.

With a lot of these things, the primals in particular, the story already acts like you're soloing it anyway so it wouldn't even be very immersion breaking. Although CM and Prae are among the few that do actually specifically talk about there being an elite team of adventurers.

[Jamein]

Ok, after seeing this and numerous similar topics, the obvious conclusion is that party content should never contain story cutscenes.

Regarding CM and Prae, with priority these should be among the first to be modified into solo content (perhaps with npc allies), and the main scenario roulette can thus be removed since it will no longer be necessary to help new players complete these instances.

Pretty much this.

I also wish they would stop gating content behind the main story, as some of us really do not care for it. Don't get me wrong, I am an FF junkie and I love the stories but MMO's stories have always been so dull for me, not to mention the way this one started... I just couldn't get behind it. Yay i'm a hero with zero depth and I save everyone a million and one times and then run some weird little errand and deliver flowers. I don't want to have to run around skipping cutscenes for an hour so I can do a new dungeon or trial.

I know people have said that the story has been amazing with this last patch, but I'm so far gone now that I've skipped every cutscene since level 40 or so, and I don't have it in me to play catch up. Maybe one day I will try to get into it.

The one story line i have been watching is the BCOB/SCOB/FCOB one, as that has been somewhat fun, but thats probably because I've always loved Bahamut in every FF :P

[Duuude007]

I am not saying you doing anything wrong, but to be correct and playing as its ment to be, you should not go in with daily roulett when you just like to finish the content asap...

Daily roulette is a one and done situation. Grinding a single dungeon is quite another.

Regardless, I still disagree, and for a key reason.

DF is effectively a contract you make with the game, that you get access to the instance much faster, but you have no control of who you go in with.

When you have no control, there are bound to be people with differing opinions on how to progress.

If you can accept that risk, that means you are okay with going through the instance however the majority of the party wishes, whether you are or are not IN the majority.

If you are incapable or unwilling of doing the content with said risk, then PF is an available option. One that ANY player can use.

This applies to newbies and veterans alike. Nobody has a good excuse to feign ignorance about how DF or PF function.

[Belhi]

Daily roulette is a one and done situation. Grinding a single dungeon is quite another.

Regardless, I still disagree, and for a key reason.

DF is effectively a contract you make with the game, that you get access to the instance much faster, but you have no control of who you go in with.

When you have no control, there are bound to be people with differing opinions on how to progress.

If you can accept that risk, that means you are okay with going through the instance however the majority of the party wishes, whether you are or are not IN the majority.

If you are incapable or unwilling of doing the content with said risk, then PF is an available option. One that ANY player can use.

This applies to newbies and veterans alike. Nobody has a good excuse to feign ignorance about how DF or PF function.

Nice idea in theory. However that theory won't change new players being driven away from the game by the rather awful experience of having the final step of the Main Scenario of 2.0 ruined and generally being badmouthed. I've seen this happen. That's bad for the game.

[Duuude007]

Nice idea in theory. However that theory won't change new players being driven away from the game by the rather awful experience of having the final step of the Main Scenario of 2.0 ruined and generally being badmouthed. I've seen this happen. That's bad for the game.

Just about as bad as the poor behavior of people who do not get the concept of "Do PF to get it done how you want it done", and insist upon fighting the matter from the role as minority.

Sorry, bad excuse. Not every party has the toxic behavior originating from the majority, and punishing the majority is tantamount to asking the df short queue times to go away.

[Belhi]

Just about as bad as the poor behavior of people who do not get the concept of "Do PF to get it done how you want it done", and insist upon fighting the matter from the role as minority.

Sorry, bad excuse. Not every party has the toxic behavior originating from the majority, and punishing the majority is tantamount to asking the df short queue times to go away.

I've never heard of someone quit the game because they have had a new player in the main scenario roulette watch the cutscenes. I know of two people personally how found those two instance such a poor experience that they have walked away from the game because it ruined the story and experience for them.

This is nothing to do punishing the Majority. This is about what the intended purpose of the content and roulette serves and the consequences of not being considerate to new players. Many new players don't even know how to use the PF and the quest outright states 'use the duty finder'.

[Duuude007]

This is nothing to do punishing the Majority.

The majority of people doing the content (as of right now) are repeat players, be it for tomes, drops, or whatever. Anything that diminishes the experience is in effect punishing these return players for the sake of the minority. This in turn makes repeat participation undesirable, resulting in drastically longer queues.

This is about what the intended purpose of the content and roulette serves and the consequences of not being considerate to new players.

And what of being considerate the rest-to what the majority of the party wants? If the majority said yes to waiting on cutscenes, I would certainly oblige. If you are saying that is unacceptable, you are as bad as the the people you are accusing of being inconsiderate.

Ultimately we feel that there are situations where we would like you to decide on the rules amongst yourselves. Before entering a duty, make sure that all party members are informed of the agreement and [how progression will be performed]. All party members should agree to those terms before entering to ensure an agreement is clearly understood.

Breaking these agreements, or behavior that imposes on other players' enjoyment of the game, will not be tolerated. If after an investigation it's confirmed that a player clearly understood the rules when joining a group and still acted in such a manner, proper action will be taken against the player, which may include confiscation of the item or account suspension, so please avoid doing anything like this.

Many new players don't even know how to use the PF and the quest outright states 'use the duty finder'.

Many legacy players don't even know how to use the PF and the PF outright 'uses the duty finder'. Again, terrible excuse. This is why we have chat, to ask if there is an easier way to form parties.

Hell if you don't know how to use PF by the time you want into Lvl 40 Stone Vigil, you are already behind the curve of the average player...

[Stormrider]

Heads up Neko. I believe there is a Cut Scene Linkshell on Balmung. They did advertise quite a bit a few months ago. Maybe make some shouts and see if anyone has it or it is still active. Also shouting in Mor Dhona on Balmung is good to lots of people just hanging out being bored.

On a semi related note. Do people still think it is a good idea to gate everything behind what has come? Players are only going to get meaner the more times they are forced to run this content.

[StouterTaru]

I should be clearer. I don't see why it *should* be the first suggestion. That is, people doing the roulette should have patience for newcomers. If you want tomestones that badly, go do something else that will get them faster. Otherwise, deal with the fact that you're in one of the most story-heavy dungeons and let people enjoy their story.

And when all the impatient people start going elsewhere for those quick tomes, new people can enjoy an hour or more wait to get into the dungeon to begin with.

The last two dungeons of 2.0 are the only ones with a massive pile of cutscenes in the middle of them, and I don't think SE will give us any more zones with 15 minutes of cutscene in the middle.