Has it always been like this or...?

[Mugiawara]

Here is the most detailed version I could find on a cursory search of the forums.



As Camate inferred, the context in the topic is about loot agreements, but it is applicable to anything having to do with DF.

Watches a CS because that's how they intended it to be then my account gets banned because people who ran it 5k times get pissy.
But they tell us the reason why they get bonus's is because of the newbie and it was some incentive. Let's see...Newbie with horrible experience because of people or being kicked = Possible lost of player.
Angry tryhard vet's...they get mad and that's it, continue their way kicking people. The side who is losing is the newbies...SE is losing money.
Hahahaaaaaaaaaaa. Oh well, nothing you can do on this one but change how the system works.
They wasted time and effort. The only thing I can agree is they NEED to make these things solo, and have a helping hand of NPC's and dummy down the difficulty by a margin.
Make it literally...story only mode. There, no ones pissed off anymore.

[dekal]

Hahahaaaaaaaaaaa. Oh well, nothing you can do on this one but change how the system works.
They wasted time and effort. The only thing I can agree is they NEED to make these things solo, and have a helping hand of NPC's and dummy down the difficulty by a margin.
Make it literally...story only mode. There, no ones pissed off anymore.

Thay idea remind me to SWTOR. They made a dummy to help any first timer doing a dungeon that is mandatory to make a group (main story). Only the person entering for the first time get the bonus and gears drop, and she/he can take all the time to fish that dungeon. By the second time you try to farm that place you are forced to queue, and the CS are minimum to none because you already watch the CS in story mode. They should do the same here. In that way everybody is happy.

[Caraway]

You can't blame the players, it's the developer's fault, they mixed the cutscene part of the game with the actual gameplay part of the game.

This is really more the fault of developers than players.

I really don't get this... The developers didn't tell you to curse at the new player. It didn't say you should ridicule them for not already knowing the way you want to run the dungeon.

This is not the developers' fault and it solely on the shoulders of the community for not communicating. This isn't an issue limited to this game or to this scenario. This is endemic of the modern MMO scene.

As was said before, there are differences of opinion as to who should be entitled to what (I've made my point plenty of times, won't reiterate it here), but what shouldn't be a discussion is whether or not it's okay to insult the person who isn't agreeing with you.

Modern MMO players don't treat other players as people and that's the problem.

Everyone should be forthright about their intentions when they arrive in a dungeon, and communicate with each other.

[Purrfectstorm]

Sorry this happened to you. I think from a game design standpoint it's a really hard thing to prevent. If there wasn't an endgame currency attached (or some other perk) for geared, experienced players to run it, it would take a really long time to find a group. Unfortunately, this is what happens when you design it so players have to run old content. It's a trade off at times (longer waits or forced speedruns).

Anyway I think most of the complaints stemming from use of the Duty Finder come from people having expectations that are unreasonable in a random environment. For instance, it's my belief that players shouldn't expect DF users to have watched videos or know the fight. And I think this also extends to expecting people to skip cutscenes. On the flip side of that, people shouldn't expect those who've run the content 100 times to wait. That being said, everyone should be able to expect a respectful atmosphere (no name calling, mocking, etc.) But in reality, that's probably never going to happen.

The only thing I can offer in terms of a suggestion is to try not to let toxic behavior get you down. If you make a party finder group to suit your needs or join a nice FC those things will make a big difference in your being able to enjoy the content the way you would like. I hope this experience hasn't soured you on the game too much.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

Not true at all, story mode roulette does not require any of the people entering to be new and more often than not it's 8 people only running it for the tomes.

Lol really? You should read better. I never said this was the case. I said that when i sign for the story roulette i understand that im "at risk" to find a real new player inside the team.

Before saying things such as "not true at all" try to actually read.

[Kiroh]

Lol really? You should read better. I never said this was the case. I said that when i sign for the story roulette i understand that im "at risk" to find a real new player inside the team.

Before saying things such as "not true at all" try to actually read.

"If they were smart enough they would really one of these players IS here for the story mode."

That is not a maybe statement, and if you think it is you need to brush up on your english.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

"If they were smart enough they would really one of these players IS here for the story mode."

That is not a maybe statement, and if you think it is you need to brush up on your english.

Cool. English is not my mothertongue. Im trying my best tho. People like you with limited access to other languages are always comfortable with mocking foreigners for that.

Now move on if you re part of the bad community who cant even understand that, sometimes, in a story roulette you will find a true newbie and not always 7 other tomes grinder.

[GenJoe]

Yeah move on if you don't agree with my opinions.. Wah wah, opinions conflicting my own don't deserve to be said wah wah.

[Dorander]

I know this will probably be flamed, but honestly.. if they take out the incentive for those of the community who have already done these dungeons, you know that you will be sitting in Duty Finder for HOURS waiting for it to pop, or having to pay people to run you through. Sorry, but at the end of the day.. I'd rather skip cutscenes, and watch them later at the inn at my own convenience.

[SpiritMuse]

I wasn't entirely happy with my first Castrum and Praetorium experience either. I watched all the cutscenes in Castrum, though I rushed through them to the point where I'm still not sure what exactly happened in there. In Praetorium I felt forced to skip everything and even then I was lagging behind as everyone rushed ahead. :/

Being on the other side now though the rushing doesn't bother me much anymore, but I'm fine with waiting when people watch cutscenes and I'll usually wait where they are for them to come out of it so they don't find themselves completely alone.