Revelations from Patch 2.55 [SPOILERS]

[Anonymoose]

This would let SE twist that knife in the feels even more as well...

As high as my hopes were for the Sultana's future, utilizing death for emotion should be expensive, so (from a storytelling perspective) this is about the only she's just mostly dead revelation that I wouldn't think was spineless. If, somehow, Nanamo Ul Namo truly did die that day and they pull some shenanigans just to kick you in the gut again, I wouldn't be opposed, I suppose. Imho, most of the other options would be... a storyteller what isn't fit to rut, if ye get me meaning.

[BunnyChain]

1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
6. Dark Knight
7. Justice!

You're the warrior Eorzea deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt you. Because you can take it. Because you're not our warrior. You're a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.



Perfect set up, SE. 10/10 would get betrayed and kicked around again.

[Viridiana]

So, I was digging through 2.4 patch stuff on xivdb when I saw something that caught my eye:

Captain Ilberd sends his regards, by the way. He attends to the interrogation of Eline Roaille in Ul'dah even as we speak.

Of course they're consorting with Garleans. . .

[PArcher]

The more I think of it, the more I'm pointing blame at the Garleans. I wonder of ilberd is working for them in exchange for Ala Mhigo's "freedom" (which won't come even if all of Eorzea becomes theirs). Lololito is probably just a greedy pawn, like the person from the ninja quests (name escapes me), following whoever seems strongest...

Would explain a bit why the Scions would be framed and removed; we're probably the Garleans biggest threat

[RobinRethiel]

Scions, the Garleans biggest threat? Not really. The Empire does not care a lot about all those primaes. Gaius was all about Ultima Weapon - but well, mainly to destroy the primaes once and for all.

The Scions ware a very small group, as seen not even able to have a real chance against a few Brass Blades and the Empire is much, MUCH stronger. If the Empire even cares about them, it's mainly because they are some kind of link between the three cities and by framing them, this could be bad or even break the alliance. The Scions are a main thread for Primaes and the Ascians, not the Empire.

[gamesmart]

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We did spearhead the operation that put an end to the Garlean invasion, though. If that doesn't raise our threat level then I don't really know what would. (Note that the Garleans are likely unaware that we have had our Blessing of Light, which is what helped us triumph over Ultima Weapon, sealed away. If they found out about that then we would likely be in much bigger trouble if they found some weapon that could produce similarly devastating results, until Middy's recovered enough to serve that purpose.)

[PArcher]

Never underestimate the power to rally people and nations.

Remember, the three city states were about to surrender to Gaius when we showed up, gave them hope and enacted a plan that wiped out their leadership and destroyed the Ultima weapon.

That is what is feared. Not our pitifully small numbers, our power to sway the people.

[Vydos]

Also some food for thought. Nanamo was fully aware how corrupted uldah had become. The place is filled with traitors and those that side with the monetarist. And rooted very deep in organisations.
So I have a feeling that this has all been done in a plan to make all those hidden faces/people expose themself in the open. Basically an attempt to clean up all the trash.

I'm still of the same opinion that Nanamo was very much aware of the assassination attempt and tried to use it in the favor or rebuilding uldah.

Again, I'm not in denial. I really couldn't care less if she's alive or dead. I cared little for her lol. But ever since the cutscene where she talked in private with both nation leaders. I had this feeling that she had this plan. I doubt it's easy to just proclaim that you're going to disband a monarchy and have everyone go. "Oh yeah. No problem. Let's accept this with no questions asked." She was up to something and she was visibly struggling to follow it through.

I frankly don't understand why people keep saying that it would be cheap of S-E to play the "pretend dead card". In my opinion both options are cliché, be her dead or alive. Both ways have been done to death(no pun intended lol) in books, stories, movies, games and so on. Again, my vision of this is based of the feeling that Nanamo gave me.

Nanamo's "death" by drinking a glass of wine also reminded me of the manga "Berserk". Where Griffith was aimed to be poisoned as well by poison in his wine. Which ended in the thing being replaced by a drug that faked his death. I'm just saying, considering that the Dark Knight has been admittedly inspired by that self same manga.

Food for thought. And I'm the first one willing to admit that I might end up wrong. I just have this really certain feeling that I'm somewhat right.

[Anonymoose]

I frankly don't understand why people keep saying that it would be cheap of S-E to play the "pretend dead card". In my opinion both options are cliché, be her dead or alive. Both ways have been done to death(no pun intended lol) in books, stories, movies, games and so on.

I can't speak for everyone that's said it, but when I said it, what I meant was not that the "pretend death card" itself is bad, but that playing it in this specific situation is clumsy. SE wanted to evoke emotion. They wanted that Empire Strikes Back totally-screwed-with-a-chance-of-hope ending (and good for them, ARR has been all about hope and the success of a dying game's rebirth and rise. Who's really expecting the last 10 minutes of that to suddenly be, "It's gone. It's all gone. You're screwed. No one's safe." <credits roll>) BUT, if you want that from the ending, and you choose to achieve it with death, you should have to pay for that death with the character's future. There's nothing wrong with with the "pretend death card," but playing it there, at the ending, to evoke emotion, and following it up by revealing it was a Disney Death that helps everything on the path to hunky dory by drawing out the traitors would be, in my humble opinion, a black mark on the rather decent main scenario structure so far.

Every time I explain this, I feel I get it a little bit clearer, so I hope that helps, lol.

Again, though, this does not reflect on my predictions of what I think actually happened (which I haven't really finished developing yet). There's far too much possible foreshadowing to claim "I think it's better if she's dead, so my theory is that she's dead." For all I know, she's going to pop out of a roast dodo in the middle of her own funeral and have the Maelstrom and Twin Adders arrest everyone who was just getting comfortable loudly expressing that they're not down with democracy.

[Chewy2nd]

It's also the first really full on "Big character death" it would be unwise to undo this one, it would make everyone doubt every death from now on.