Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

[Fyce]

I am implying none of that.

If you don't want to fight anyway, having a weapon or not, being powerful enough to take these guards down or not, it make no difference.

Surrendering was the best choice no matter the circumstances, us having a weapon, the number or guards or whatever.
It doesn't change the outcome in the end.

So, then, what's your point?

[Moqi]

So I am a threat without my weapon? I thought I wasn't.

If you don't want to fight, having a weapon or not, being powerful enough to take these guards down or not, it make no difference.

Surrendering was the best choice no matter the circumstances, us having a weapon, the number or guards or whatever.
It doesn't chance the outcome in the end.

So, then, what's your point?

Well, the final outcome is that you gtfo of Ul'dah, which is exactly what I would've done. Except, you know, I would've been able to get the rest of the Scions along with me instead of having them risk their lives. My point is that the whole sequence looks dramatic but is dumb.

[myahele]

We also have to keep in mind that we can do the whole cutscene in whatever job we want. From combat to DoL/DoH

[AdamFyi]

So I am a threat without my weapon? I thought I wasn't.

Yes, all they know if that you were blessed by the Mothercrystal and have no idea what sort of unfathomable power you hold. Our powers getting stripped by Midgarsomr was only privy to Minfilia of whom told us to keep it a secret.

[Hyrist]

Well if I were weaponless me and thus powerless (like folks are saying here), Thancred would have been much more threatening since he did have his weapons with him at the time, wouldn't he?

First, Thancred knows the Palace more than the Main character and can evade detection. They likely sent a small contingent after him and he gave them the slip (He even says so.)

WoL, on the other hand, was bereft of their weapons as a standard courtesy of entering the bed chambers of a Sultana. You had no weapon , period. It's not in any of those cutscenes, and you're not going to win hand to hand against that many swords.

As far as those trying to justify taking the spare sword from Raubahn, you're assuming the sword is in anywhere within reach when Crystal Braves and Brass Blades are about to pour in the door.

Keep in mind, level is not related to in-canon skill. Brass Blades are not all skillless sellswords. You also had Crystal Braves, many of them were well trained, as described to you earlier in the cutscenes.

[Kallera]

If you don't want to fight anyway, having a weapon or not, being powerful enough to take these guards down or not, it make no difference.

Surrendering was the best choice no matter the circumstances, us having a weapon, the number or guards or whatever.
It doesn't change the outcome in the end.

So, then, what's your point?

That doesn't sound like a protagonist that damns the odds and proves an inspiration to many. Suppose raubahn HADN'T lost his temper, would the chopping block have been best too? Or how about a quick knife to the ribs while in gaol?

[Hyrist]

That doesn't sound like a protagonist that damns the odds and proves an inspiration to many. Suppose raubahn HADN'T lost his temper, would the chopping block have been best too? Or how about a quick knife to the ribs while in prison?

A well planned escape/rescue(gaolbreak) attempt would be better than to die in the heat of battle trying to escape being apprehended. Remember the cost of getting away successfully.

[AdamFyi]

That doesn't sound like a protagonist that damns the odds and proves an inspiration to many. Suppose raubahn HADN'T lost his temper, would the chopping block have been best too? Or how about a quick knife to the ribs while in prison?

The protagonist isn't almighty. He isn't a god. The odds were against him at the time. You can figure out the rest.

[Kallera]

A well planned escape/rescue(gaolbreak) attempt would be better than to die in the heat of battle trying to escape being apprehended. Remember the cost of getting away successfully.

Well wouldn't that make us more guilty?

I'm saying this whole thing could have been done better, there are even games that have done this better.

[HReincarnate]

I think what people need to remember is the technical limitations of the game. Considering that the cutscenes have to take into account the lowest common denominator - they need to limit the number of character models. You have to realise that there's a disparity to how many soldiers are shown and how many there actually are in the story. There were likely hundreds of brass blades and braves in Ul'dah to run away from - in which case the scions sacrifices make more sense.

I don't blame my character for not fighting back. The WoL had to go in quietly or they would give Teledji even more ammo against them - and afterwards they were tied down and unable to break free (could argue that the WoL should have been strong enough to break free but it depends on the class, and once you start going into that.....). And when they were broken free, Raubahn wouldn't let them stay to help. And regarding the scions, they were determined to stay - if the WoL had stayed he would have risked (maybe not, but there was a chance) being captured which would make their sacrifices irrelevant.