Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

**luciferbelmont** · 04-04-2015 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cailae

Alright, allow me to re-phrase: Why am I still SUCCESSFULLY solving theirs and now Ishgards problems?

And you're ignoring that immediately after that, we killed an ascian.

And how did we kill that ascian? please do explain because you'll see that it wasn't by any means through the warrior of light we helped but that was all Moenbryda.

**Cailae** · 04-04-2015 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by luciferbelmont

I like how people are forgetting that our PCs are powerless in this point of the story. All i have to say is midgardsormr or have you guys forgotten what happened in the first part of the patch?

If we're powerless why are the Scions and the Crystal Braves still leaning on us to take care of all of their problems?

Originally Posted by Felis

You couldn't kill him without help. Your power was not strong enough.
And ex primals and CT are optional content, not part of the MSQ.

Help or not, that scene completely debunks any real credibility to the notion I don't have the power to take on these few guards. Losing the blessing has done little to slow my character down storywise. Optional or not my character has still accomplished it, if you want to have lore and a story it needs to be taken into consideration. Writing is hard.

**Moqi** · 04-04-2015 01:29 AM

Arms tied, seriously. Ok lol, whatever, who knew that's all it took to render us powerless. Stupid ascians have got it all wrong.

To how many primal fights was you send after the meeting with Midgardsormr inside the mainstory ?

None, so? We're talking about a bunch of Miqo'tes, Roe, Hyur, Lalas and Elezen, not about primals. You're all talking as if after 2.5 we've been so dumbed down that we can't even walk two steps without tripping ourselves. Even if we can't take down a Primal anymore, we can still kill a bunch of much more poweful foes than some Brass Blades and Crystal Bravers.

**Hyrist** · 04-04-2015 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Moqi

None, so? We're talking about a bunch of Miqo'tes, Roe, Hyur, Lalas and Elezen, not about primals. You're all talking as if after 2.5 we've been so dumbed down that we can't even walk two steps without tripping ourselves. Even if we can't take down a Primal anymore, we can still kill a bunch of much more poweful foes than some Brass Blades and Crystal Bravers.

Without a weapon? Have fun with that. And no, caster classes CANNOT cast without their focuses nearby.

You were sorely outnumbered, - as in for outnumbered 100 to 1. Does not matter how many you think you can cut down, you would have been overwhemed and killed, quickly as you were unarmed.

You are skilled, not immortal.

**Kallera** · 04-04-2015 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Hyrist

Without a weapon? Have fun with that. And no, caster classes CANNOT cast without their focuses nearby.

You were sorely outnumbered, - as in for outnumbered 100 to 1. Does not matter how many you think you can cut down, you would have been overwhemed and killed, quickly as you were unarmed.

Be sure to tell that to all the other strongholds and dungeons we waltz in and out of on our own.

As far as fighting as a team, well if a player character opted to buy time and "hold them off", would he not get laughed at ?

**Cailae** · 04-04-2015 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Hyrist

Without a weapon? Have fun with that. And no, caster classes CANNOT cast without their focuses nearby.

You were sorely outnumbered, - as in for outnumbered 100 to 1. Does not matter how many you think you can cut down, you would have been overwhemed and killed, quickly as you were unarmed.

Even in the last scene with them coming out of the city there weren't anything close to a hundred. There couldn't have been more than 10 people that burst in that room, one of which is a non-combatant.

Originally Posted by Kallera

Be sure to tell that to all the other strongholds and dungeons we waltz in and out of on our own.

Hell if a player character opted to buy time and "hold them off", would he not get laughed at too?

Also, this.

**Riepah** · 04-04-2015 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by Hyrist

Without a weapon? Have fun with that. And no, caster classes CANNOT cast without their focuses nearby.

You were sorely outnumbered, - as in for outnumbered 100 to 1. Does not matter how many you think you can cut down, you would have been overwhemed and killed, quickly as you were unarmed.

Raubahn won't be needing his 2nd sword anymore. As it so happens, the existence of Nanamo's cutscene in the CUL 50 quest heavily suggests that all class and crafting quests happen before this point in the story, so every Warrior of Light is also proficient with a sword. We weren't *really* unarmed - neither before we allowed ourselves to be taken into custody by Teledji's goons, nor after.
We were just "unarmed" because it was the only way to conveniently sacrifice other characters so we could run away. Take a look at that feasting hall - weapons are perfectly permitted there. And from an old cutscene, you can see that weapons are also permitted in the Sultana's chamber. Not to mention that we, as the Warrior of Light, are more than trusted by the Sultana and were at no point asked to surrender our weapon - because only a fool would go along with that. If the Sultana wants to talk to me, she'll either let me enter her chamber with my weapon, or she'll have to meet me elsewhere, it's that simple.

**Moqi** · 04-04-2015 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Hyrist

You were sorely outnumbered, - as in for outnumbered 100 to 1. Does not matter how many you think you can cut down, you would have been overwhemed and killed, quickly as you were unarmed.

Thancred surely wasn't overwhelmed when they tried to get to him, he disposed of them and reached us. Also, everything that Riepah said. Nanamo would never have had any objections to me bringing my weapon along to talk to her, I didn't have it with me so they could justify me being captured.

**AdamFyi** · 04-04-2015 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Moqi

Thancred surely wasn't overwhelmed when they tried to get to him, he disposed of them and reached us.

Obviously, they only sent a few guards to apprehend him. The WoL is a much higher threat to them so most of their forces would have diluted there. The other Scions were in the banquet hall, so technically they're pretty much trapped.

**Moqi** · 04-04-2015 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by AdamFyi

Obviously, they only sent a few guards to apprehend him. The WoL is a much higher threat to them so most of their forces would have diluted there.

Well if I were weaponless me and thus powerless (like folks are saying here), Thancred would have been much more threatening since he did have his weapons with him at the time, wouldn't he?

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