Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

[luciferbelmont]

I like how people are forgetting that our PCs are powerless in this point of the story. All i have to say is midgardsormr or have you guys forgotten what happened in the first part of the patch?

[Moqi]

I like how people are forgetting that our PCs are powerless in this point of the story.

They aren't, comparing a primal to a bunch of brass baldes is stupid, you fight much better equipped and trained soldiers all the time whenever you enter a Castrum with no problems, not to mention Odin and Cloud of Darkness.

You were powerless because it was the convenient and lazy way out and that's it, it wasn't justified by anything in the game. That all of a sudden you can't take on a dozen human soldiers is absurd, you routinely fight much worse whenever you walk around in beastmen territories.

[luciferbelmont]

They aren't, comparing a primal to a bunch of brass baldes is stupid, you fight much better equipped and trained soldiers all the time whenever you enter a Castrum with no problems, not to mention Odin and Cloud of Darkness.

You were powerless because it was the convenient and lazy way out and that's it, it wasn't justified by anything in the game. That all of a sudden you can't take on a dozen human soldiers is absurd, you routinely fight much worse whenever you walk around in beastmen territories.

Here's the problem with your theory. We had are arms tied and not everyone's monk or a ninja. And we were powerless because midgardsormr stripped us of our crystals. Also you are listing content that happens before midgardsormr strips you of your powers. Next time pay attention to the story instead of rambling on as if nothing happened with midgardsormr.

[Felis]

They aren't, comparing a primal to a bunch of brass baldes is stupid, you fight much better equipped and trained soldiers all the time whenever you enter a Castrum with no problems, not to mention Odin and Cloud of Darkness.

You were powerless because it was the convenient and lazy way out and that's it, it wasn't justified by anything in the game. That all of a sudden you can't take on a dozen human soldiers is absurd, you routinely fight much worse whenever you walk around in beastmen territories.

To how many primal fights was you send after the meeting with Midgardsormr inside the mainstory ?
Or would you like a giant stat malus (like -75 on all stats) after the Midgardsormr part to give it more immersion?

If we're powerless why are the Scions and the Crystal Braves still leaning on us to take care of all of their problems?

Because Minfilia asked us to keep it a secret.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xgq...tailpage#t=546

[Cailae]

Because Minfilia asked us to keep it a secret.

Alright, allow me to re-phrase: Why am I still SUCCESSFULLY solving theirs and now Ishgards problems?

Next time pay attention to the story instead of rambling on as if nothing happened with midgardsormr.

And you're ignoring that immediately after that, we killed an ascian.

[luciferbelmont]

Alright, allow me to re-phrase: Why am I still SUCCESSFULLY solving theirs and now Ishgards problems?


And you're ignoring that immediately after that, we killed an ascian.

And how did we kill that ascian? please do explain because you'll see that it wasn't by any means through the warrior of light we helped but that was all Moenbryda.

[Cailae]

And how did we kill that ascian? please do explain because you'll see that it wasn't by any means through the warrior of light we helped but that was all Moenbryda.

Uhm, what? Moenbryda went into the void and thrashed the ascian, rescued Minfilia, and made it weak enough to be trapped and perma-killed? Moenbryda was at best in that scene a battery. the entire event was brought about by the "de-fanged" warrior of light.

Edit: In fact, rewatching the scene Nabriales is completely shocked at the ability of the WoL to defeat him, reinforcing to the player that the blessing is not needed to perform heroic level deeds. That scene singularly shows that we are still quite beyond the norm in terms of ability and power.

[AdamFyi]

That scene singularly shows that we are still quite beyond the norm in terms of ability and power.

Defeating him does show that the WoL is still pretty strong without the power of light, I'll give you that. However, that was it. We defeated the Ascian. That is all. We did not kill him. We tried to using Moenbryda's plan, but there was not enough Aether to kill the Ascian. Moenbryda sacrificed herself to boost the power of that 'Sword of Light' and in the process, we were able to kill the Ascian. Without Moenbryda's research, we wouldn't have been able to kill that Ascian.

Thus, we can conclude that the WoL can be compared to Minfilia in terms of powers, but in terms of strength - we're probably just stronger than a lot of people.

[Cailae]

I like how people are forgetting that our PCs are powerless in this point of the story. All i have to say is midgardsormr or have you guys forgotten what happened in the first part of the patch?

If we're powerless why are the Scions and the Crystal Braves still leaning on us to take care of all of their problems?

You couldn't kill him without help. Your power was not strong enough.
And ex primals and CT are optional content, not part of the MSQ.

Help or not, that scene completely debunks any real credibility to the notion I don't have the power to take on these few guards. Losing the blessing has done little to slow my character down storywise. Optional or not my character has still accomplished it, if you want to have lore and a story it needs to be taken into consideration. Writing is hard.