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    Ok, so, here is my theory.

    First off: Telediji was innocent. An insufferable prick, but still innocent. What about his plans on Omega Weapon, though? Was it only his idea, or were the Monetarist as a whole in that plan?

    Secondly: his death was probably plotted by Lolorito, because Telediji's ambition didn't sit well with him. Remember the discussion regarding the Doman refugees back in 2.2? They were at odds, and it is possible that Telediji's plans were not good for Lolorito. I wouldn't find it hard to imagine rivalry even within the Syndicate. So what Lolorito did, was letting Telediji continue his schemes while somehow letting the Scions notice his treachery. It WAS strange that we immediately noticed (literally after one patch) that he was up to something, and in one dialogue it was mentioned that Telediji showed the "care of a drunk pissing in the wind" (if I remember correctly the quote). That was, most probably, the moment when we should have noticed something was amiss. It is possible it was, in fact, Lolorito's doing all along to frame Telediji.

    Lastly: Lolorito's expression at the end, which is what prompted me to write this on the forum in the first place. Together with Tataru's face at the end of her short quest-line, I just can't understand what's up with that. The dialogue makes it seem like he didn't want to put this plan into motion, rather than him being frustrated by something which didn't go well. So there are three options, if I am right: 1) Lolorito didn't want to actually kill Telediji, but Raubahn's rampage (caused by Telediji's own attitude and the circumstances) made him a casualty. 2) His intentions did not include the death of Nanamo, whom could still have been useful to him - so Telediji is now a hindrance and a possible problem, so he had to get rid of him. 3) Whatever the hand-maiden was ordered to do and then report, it was not shown on-screen and is not related - so it's back to square one.


    Actually, you know what? No. Scrap all that. New theory.

    Tataru was in cahoots with Lolorito and planned to become the new Sultana.
    Lolorito started willingly considering all that he had to gain, but later he regretted being manipulated like this. Yet he had no choice when the plan was at that stage - his only choice was to talk to the Warrior of Light, but Telediji (madly in love with Tataru) used him/her to frame him/her into Nanamo's murder. So yes, he's no longer innocent in this theory - and he lied to Raubahn to avoid exposing Tataru.
    Now, now, I know what y'all are saying. "But Ilberd said he did that!". Well guess what. Ilberd is Tataru's bodyguard (also madly in love with her). So yeah, he did that, while co-operating with Telediji to move the Brass Blades. All the Crystal Braves were always under Telediji's paycheck and Ilberd's control, too, so they had the power to make all of this almost effortlessly.

    She was never striving to become more useful and trying other classes, she actually wanted to scheme without others checking on her. When we did, she was sidetracking us. Come on, she ain't that stupid. Or weak. She feigned being attacked by a Morbol (not madly in love with her btw) while she was mining, when she could have just used the pick to kill it and avoid the AoE. It would have taken a while, but she had the gear to survive this. And she easily used "Place" to make it seem like that Carbuncle ran away from the mouse. Guys, seriously: she had a pink-dyed Cashmere robe. That's a level freaking 50. How could she have -ever- lost against a lousy mouse.

    The Scions were, for Tataru, something to hide behind while the gears started turning. Now that Ilberd and Telediji used the fabled Warrior of Light as well, the rest of the Scions became useless: their death was just necessary to tie possible loose ends and all.

    Why did she suggest going to Ishgard? Well, that's an easy one: Ilberd and Lolorito (this one still finding a way out of this ofc) need time to make preparations for her, they need a specific political situation - they can't just crown everyone now, can they. Why with Alphinaud and the Warrior of Light? Obvious: she will hide again behind them, claiming to have no choice (Warrior of light+Alphinaud > Poor Tataru) and that she would have been imprisoned anyway considering her relationship with the Scions.

    But THEN she would turn against us, and with the help of Ilberd and Lolorito she' bring us to justice. Ul'dah would understand that it was not the Scions' fault as a whole, only the Alphinaud's and the Warrior of Light's, and since there is no heir or relative of royal blood and that she would be seen as a savior/avenger, she should be the new Sultana.

    It all makes sense. You know it does.

    You'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven View Post
    Actually, you know what? No. Scrap all that. New theory.

    Tataru was in cahoots with Lolorito and planned to become the new Sultana.
    Lolorito started willingly considering all that he had to gain, but later he regretted being manipulated like this. Yet he had no choice when the plan was at that stage - his only choice was to talk to the Warrior of Light, but Telediji (madly in love with Tataru) used him/her to frame him/her into Nanamo's murder. So yes, he's no longer innocent in this theory - and he lied to Raubahn to avoid exposing Tataru.
    Now, now, I know what y'all are saying. "But Ilberd said he did that!". Well guess what. Ilberd is Tataru's bodyguard (also madly in love with her). So yeah, he did that, while co-operating with Telediji to move the Brass Blades. All the Crystal Braves were always under Telediji's paycheck and Ilberd's control, too, so they had the power to make all of this almost effortlessly.

    She was never striving to become more useful and trying other classes, she actually wanted to scheme without others checking on her. When we did, she was sidetracking us. Come on, she ain't that stupid. Or weak. She feigned being attacked by a Morbol (not madly in love with her btw) while she was mining, when she could have just used the pick to kill it and avoid the AoE. It would have taken a while, but she had the gear to survive this. And she easily used "Place" to make it seem like that Carbuncle ran away from the mouse. Guys, seriously: she had a pink-dyed Cashmere robe. That's a level freaking 50. How could she have -ever- lost against a lousy mouse.

    The Scions were, for Tataru, something to hide behind while the gears started turning. Now that Ilberd and Telediji used the fabled Warrior of Light as well, the rest of the Scions became useless: their death was just necessary to tie possible loose ends and all.

    Why did she suggest going to Ishgard? Well, that's an easy one: Ilberd and Lolorito (this one still finding a way out of this ofc) need time to make preparations for her, they need a specific political situation - they can't just crown everyone now, can they. Why with Alphinaud and the Warrior of Light? Obvious: she will hide again behind them, claiming to have no choice (Warrior of light+Alphinaud > Poor Tataru) and that she would have been imprisoned anyway considering her relationship with the Scions.

    But THEN she would turn against us, and with the help of Ilberd and Lolorito she' bring us to justice. Ul'dah would understand that it was not the Scions' fault as a whole, only the Alphinaud's and the Warrior of Light's, and since there is no heir or relative of royal blood and that she would be seen as a savior/avenger, she should be the new Sultana.

    It all makes sense. You know it does.

    You'll see.
    I don't think that's quite what happened but I like your idea, they should hire you
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven View Post
    Lastly: Lolorito's expression at the end, which is what prompted me to write this on the forum in the first place. Together with Tataru's face at the end of her short quest-line, I just can't understand what's up with that. The dialogue makes it seem like he didn't want to put this plan into motion, rather than him being frustrated by something which didn't go well. So there are three options, if I am right: 1) Lolorito didn't want to actually kill Telediji, but Raubahn's rampage (caused by Telediji's own attitude and the circumstances) made him a casualty. 2) His intentions did not include the death of Nanamo, whom could still have been useful to him - so Telediji is now a hindrance and a possible problem, so he had to get rid of him. 3) Whatever the hand-maiden was ordered to do and then report, it was not shown on-screen and is not related - so it's back to square one.
    or 4)
    Tataru is Nanamo. Lolorito is angry because he discovered he poisoned a fake Nanamo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdestHeaven View Post
    Ok, so, here is my theory... Snip


    To be honest, I also think something is weird with Tataru on her last quest, and I just started to like her more. -____-
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