Please stop asking SE to make FFXIV more easy!

[kyuven]

I would say yes, if you've been playing for 2 patches/6 by now months and still haven't beaten t5. Your 2nd sentence makes it even more so. If you have friends that are that much ahead of you and they cant spare 15-20 mins somewhere in that 6 month period, they aren't friends.

Sometimes it isn't that simple.
First off I'm going to assume this hypothetical person HASN'T been playing for 2 patches, but is 2 TIERS WORTH OF CONTENT, meaning this person is on BCOB while their friends are on FCOB. Tiers, not patches. Also, this person has NOT been playing for six months.
Let's say you have 3 friends that play the game regularly. Which is pretty normal. It takes time to build a large group of friends, and having a few is pretty normal.
Now, let's say again, that YOU are the only tank in the group. So, you and your friends get together to try to get your clear for t5.
Typically you either have to get your friends to call in every favor they have to get the group going, or you have to take a risk of getting bad players. Moreover, you, as the new player AND the tank, will screw up. This is inevitable, and perfectly normal.
For a new player.
Not for the "regulars."
So with each inevitable wipe, you risk losing a party member. You will always have a 4 person party, but you'll also have to deal with a possible revolving door of people trying to accomplish the same thing. Sure they'll hopefully clear it in 6 months, but being stuck on this content is extremely disheartening, especially once you get good enough and can definitively say it's NOT your fault.
And this is only t5. t9 is a completely different animal. This is also not considering that you COULD have 12 different friends or more, but without the right roles you're just not gonna be able to do it. If you have 100 friends but not one is a healer, and you're a tank, then you're STILL taking a risk. This is a hyperbolic situation but I hope I'm getting across my point.
I don't think people really understand how difficult it can be for new players to progress through content simply to get caught up. The game gets nerfed and made easier not for the people who are caught up, but for these people who are trying to get caught up in a reasonable amount of time.

If you started way later after the gravy train and still haven't finished T5 patches upon patches later? Yeah I am implying as such. Obviously were not talking about someone whose leveling their first character here.

Isn't someone who started after the gravy train by definition a newer player leveling their first character?
I'm not talking about people who have been dawdling on it since Ramuh was new content. I'm talking about people who, at this point, don't know the game without FCOB being in existence.

[Mature]

Is this thread still going? Should of been closed long time ago. It doesn't contribute any positive to the community in the slightest.

[Gardes]

Sometimes it isn't that simple.

No it is that simple. Last time I helped someone get through t5, it was 2 people at once and of the 6 people helping, 3 were casual players that I helped get through t5 before and iirc have only won it once. You wouldn't be able to make me bet 1 million gil on them to beat t5 in one shot even if they're members of the FC I am in (obviously they're capable but just havent played enough of it). The other 3 is me and 2 fc members that are in 2 different raid statics and are able to cover needed roles. Cleared it in less than one hour. That was about less than 2 months ago I think, and wasn't even a scheduled run.

[ShaneDawn]

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This. We did t5 a while ago with the fc with 4 new people to the instance in it. Also beat it in less than an hour. The fight is so gimped, that the boss burns down faster than a house of sticks and pretty much everything except dives/twisters/dreads can be nearly ignored. It only takes a party of people that actually know the strategy to clear it now.

People keep saying that being bottlenecked is a bad thing. It isn't. It's there to make sure you're ready for the next content. If your friends are on a higher tier than you are, surely they can help you. And not getting a full party is no excuse; you can just PF the rest, or even easily PF everyone.

There's a plenty of people to do content with if you're just willing to make the effort of actually meeting people. Not everything is dfable (although in fact you can beat anything up to T9 in df) for a good reason; coils are a team effort, not solo.

[ShaneDawn]

And if you're already behind in content, you should first clear whatever new stuff you're missing. Get your gear up to par. Do some story, clear some trials. I don't know why anyone would return after several patches and think they're just gonna wind it up and go FCoB straight away.

[Mythre]

Back when T5 was the last coil at the time: we beat that. Spent countless hours to do so.

As a hardcore player I have 0 problems with this game becoming a casual game filled with more comedy, mini-games, and easier fights.
Even endgame should get dumbed down with harder savage versions only giving a title as its extra.
Know why?
Because not everyone, including my friends, can pass most of these fights. Awesome players in FF11 etc.. but the dodging mechanic hurts them in the worst situations simply because they live in a low speed area.

So I just play dungeons, 24-man raids, spiritbind grind, craft, and gather stuff.

Wasting countless hours trying to beat endgame bosses in pug groups just to have gear drama at the end is pretty much the norm for most of the non-static parties.

FF11 was an accomplishment. FFXIV is to relax & have fun.

If I want a challenge I'll just go play dark souls or something similar.

[TheMunimai]

I have absolutely no qualms about them nerfing "older" content.

Turn 5 for example, it's been out since ARR launched, the "end game" players are no longer doing it, and those that are doing it need it only for the clear. I personally don't see the harm in making it easier.

Don't get me wrong I miss some of the difficulty in newer content, I loved Pharos Sirius pre nerf it was fantastic! But I love the game as it is now, and I'm really stoked by the stuff that's planned for release, including hard and savage modes of Alexander.

[Angus-Beef]

Tfw people think FF was made with casuals in mind, oh how I miss Heavensward.....

[Jimmymagic]

Lodestone Forum = Troll farming seriously

[Angus-Beef]

I think the best way to look at this is, they need to go back to gating content more and putting more punishing mechs back in. The game itself needs to require the player to be competent, and FFXIV is the only MMO with this type of a situation. Being the Black sheep amongst modern MMOs that carries and coddles its playerbase, FF suffers from its player base refusing to actively put effort into the game.

Example being Eureka, The amount of people throwing tantrums over actually having to grind and put a bit of work into what will be the best weapon in the game was cringe. But yes lets believe that people who will leave this game when a new MMO comes out and essentially end up being the hardcore playerbase there, then end up saying the same thing.