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  1. #231
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    For the record, I'm completely against nerfing content. ESPECIALLY removing mechanics. Gear progression is enough of a natural nerf as is.
    No other games gradually neuter the final boss until you finally beat the game. Hell... some games actually penalize you the more you try (Demon/Dark Souls).

    Why not just keep at it? Everyone I know that has stayed with something they've REALLY wanted to beat... has eventually done so. No matter their starting skill. Everything in this game can eventually be overcome by any player. Just my 2 cents.
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    Last edited by Mercutial; 03-25-2015 at 06:38 AM.

  2. #232
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    Havenchild's Avatar
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    Avalen Koma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moqi View Post
    Who else should they cater to? People who cleared it on release aren't doing T5 now. The only people who are still trying it are the ones who have not cleared it yet, and they clearly need the nerfs.
    Why reduce the the difficulty of the fights through mechanic nerfs though? You take away the challenge and experience for those after you. Echo/ DF accessibility and ilvl is already enough.

    Why are mechanic nerfs needed? Only reason that comes to mind is catering to bad or nonfunctional players. In which case, my next question is why is content being adjusted for the people that fit this bracket? If your answer was then so they can "experience the story" in this " gated content", then you should support a separate story mode that can do just that.

    The fights themselves should remain intact in all their initial difficulty or what's left of it mechanically post overgearing/echo.

    If you haven't beat T5 by now, a year after the fight was released, you are without a shadow of a doubt, not pursuing this fight hard enough.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 03-25-2015 at 07:04 AM.

  3. #233
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    SDaemon's Avatar
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    Koala Shibito
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    If you haven't beat T5 by now, a year after the fight was released, you are without a shadow of a doubt, not pursuing this fight hard enough.
    LOL.....oh wait, you were serious?
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  4. #234
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    Faelandaea Dravin
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    Why is everyone so wrapped up in Coil? All it's good for is glamours. LOL. With Heavensward coming out, any and all gear in Coil is already pretty much mothballed as far as stats go

    See you all in Alexander.
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    http://faelandaea.com/technology/ - My computer specs - LOW END MACHINE!!! High end machine coming soon.


  5. #235
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faelandaea View Post
    Why is everyone so wrapped up in Coil? All it's good for is glamours. LOL. With Heavensward coming out, any and all gear in Coil is already pretty much mothballed as far as stats go
    Welcome to linear MMO gear tread-milling! Doesn't null current content though simply because there will always be better gear over the horizon!
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  6. #236
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    Welcome to linear MMO gear tread-milling! Doesn't null current content though simply because there will always be better gear over the horizon!
    That's actually what I love about MMO games. The progression. To be honest I just barely started clearing Coil this week. And that's only because my FC talked me into it. But I am already pretty much decked out in Ironworks gear and I just started my final step of Zeta tonight, so I am just into Coil now for fun and teaming up with people to do something different. But all the while we are doing this I am just sitting here so anxious to see what is on that horizon . . . gods only know the screenshots of the new 3.0 weapons . . . . ~drool~ . . .

    I agree there should be easy content, but there should also be hard content as well. And even medium content. That way people can play based on experience, mood, etc and still progress in the areas they feel most comfortable.
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    http://faelandaea.com/technology/ - My computer specs - LOW END MACHINE!!! High end machine coming soon.


  7. #237
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    King Canadane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faelandaea View Post
    Why is everyone so wrapped up in Coil? All it's good for is glamours. LOL. With Heavensward coming out, any and all gear in Coil is already pretty much mothballed as far as stats go

    See you all in Alexander.
    When Alexander is out and people need to deal with a mechanic or two again, they'll say "Eh, why bother? 4.0's raid will surely be for me!" and just ignore Alex forever.
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  8. #238
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    Chen Kotomi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    If you haven't beat T5 by now, a year after the fight was released, you are without a shadow of a doubt, not pursuing this fight hard enough.
    Are you implying that people who may have started later aren't "pursuing the fight hard enough"?
    Now, I don't think t5, 9, and 13 should be nerfed, but getting started and finding a roadblock that keeps you 2 tiers of content behind your friends is ludicrous. Echo is fine for accomplishing this, but you can't accuse people of not "trying hard enough" when they're stuck behind everyone else.
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  9. #239
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    Sileas Goode
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuven View Post
    Are you implying that people who may have started later aren't "pursuing the fight hard enough"?
    Now, I don't think t5, 9, and 13 should be nerfed, but getting started and finding a roadblock that keeps you 2 tiers of content behind your friends is ludicrous. Echo is fine for accomplishing this, but you can't accuse people of not "trying hard enough" when they're stuck behind everyone else.
    I would say yes, if you've been playing for 2 patches/6 by now months and still haven't beaten t5. Your 2nd sentence makes it even more so. If you have friends that are that much ahead of you and they cant spare 15-20 mins somewhere in that 6 month period, they aren't friends.
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  10. #240
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    Avalen Koma
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuven View Post
    Are you implying that people who may have started later aren't "pursuing the fight hard enough"?
    Now, I don't think t5, 9, and 13 should be nerfed, but getting started and finding a roadblock that keeps you 2 tiers of content behind your friends is ludicrous. Echo is fine for accomplishing this, but you can't accuse people of not "trying hard enough" when they're stuck behind everyone else.
    If you started way later after the gravy train and still haven't finished T5 patches upon patches later? Yeah I am implying as such. Obviously were not talking about someone whose leveling their first character here. I won't say the fight is easy for any newcomer, but no, if you want a clear that badly, make a PF if you can't get a win in DF. Enough DF/PF parties until you get the experience you need and you'll get a clear. This invisible wall / roadblock people keep claiming is their own lack of pursuit. If you want the clear go get it and stop sitting around expecting it to fall into your lap via static or otherwise. Even if you have no will to DF it, can you honestly say you equally have absolutely no one willing to help you with the fight on your entire server, via friends, PF, linkshells, FC?

    How many excuses does it take to realize some people are just blowing smoke on their inability to clear something like T5 by now?

    Have extra time? Find/Make a static.
    Don't have time? PF/DF practice it when you can. Recruit people that know up to what you do.
    Don't even have time for that? Stop raiding then, it's not for you. You clearly don't have enough time and also stop asking for the content to be nerfed for you.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 03-25-2015 at 05:16 PM.

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