Losing the RMT spam war SE?

[tocsin]

Umm, so I just looked at the post regarding "stop buying gil.", and he was directly referring to "the players" as a society, not individuals in this thread. and he is right. As long as players have a significant incentive to buy gil, RMT will continue to thrive.

Keep in mind, RMT aren't garage programmers, these are legitimate companies, with legitimate development resources. any perceivable restriction SE comes up with to combat them, they re going to work their way around. and in the meantime, that's one more thing that players cant do or say.

the only way to stop it, is to eliminate the economy itself, making gil worthless. and I don't think SE is willing to scrap a major part of their game.

I filtered my tells into another chat log, and check them every 30 mins or so, via a quick scroll. not complicated in the slightest.

[Chiramu]

Stop buying gil people!

[RyuRoots]

Umm, so I just looked at the post regarding "stop buying gil.", and he was directly referring to "the players" as a society, not individuals in this thread. and he is right. As long as players have a significant incentive to buy gil, RMT will continue to thrive.

Keep in mind, RMT aren't garage programmers, these are legitimate companies, with legitimate development resources. any perceivable restriction SE comes up with to combat them, they re going to work their way around. and in the meantime, that's one more thing that players cant do or say.

the only way to stop it, is to eliminate the economy itself, making gil worthless. and I don't think SE is willing to scrap a major part of their game.

I filtered my tells into another chat log, and check them every 30 mins or so, via a quick scroll. not complicated in the slightest.

Firstly, good job stating exactly what everyone in this thread already knows. Secondly yes, sifting through 500 spam tells to see if I MIGHT have gotten a legit one is a great idea.

[Elusana_Celah]

Umm, so I just looked at the post regarding "stop buying gil.", and he was directly referring to "the players" as a society, not individuals in this thread. and he is right. As long as players have a significant incentive to buy gil, RMT will continue to thrive.

Keep in mind, RMT aren't garage programmers, these are legitimate companies, with legitimate development resources. any perceivable restriction SE comes up with to combat them, they re going to work their way around. and in the meantime, that's one more thing that players cant do or say.

the only way to stop it, is to eliminate the economy itself, making gil worthless. and I don't think SE is willing to scrap a major part of their game.

I filtered my tells into another chat log, and check them every 30 mins or so, via a quick scroll. not complicated in the slightest.

What do you want us to do? Track down where the gil buyers live and beat them up and make them promise not to do it anymore? You think we have any control over how disgusting the people in our society are? I have a friend who I told to stop buying gil and I expressed how disgusted I was that he actually bought gil and he ignored me and continued to buy gil. Beyond that what do I do? You don't change these people. SE changes these people by making it not worth it for them to buy the gil. How do you do this?

---- You do investigation into which accounts have the gil and which accounts / characters belong to the gil sellers. After you know who these accounts are, you don't ban them. Instead, you monitor the money they are giving the players to and proceed to remove the gil from the players after they bought it and issue a week temp ban to them. They lost their money on their gil purchase and they got a temp ban. That is enough to get them to never do it again while still giving a chance that they will continue to play FFXIV.

Once the people buying the gil are being punished like this, gil buying decreases and gil sellers start decreasing as well because it's no longer that profitable for them. The key is for SE to make sure that they have the accounts of gil sellers and NOT the accounts of legit players just doing mail trades.

---- The key is for SE to secretly identify the accounts of the gil sellers and not let those gil sellers know they know so that they can continue to punish the buyers. Right now there is no fear for buyers at all so they will continue to buy as a result of this.

---- There also needs to be account-wide blacklisting so gil sellers would need to buy new copies of FFXIV just to continue to reach certain players who have them on account ban but it would free up our blacklists by A LOT and eventually we will see gil seller tells become a thing of the past once we start blacklisting their accounts.

---- Other things that need to happen is easier reporting systems. I want to be able to highlight a bunch of chat text, right click and send it to a GM so the GM receives an unedited chat snip and can track down the gil seller tells that way. Also a means for GMs to find recently deleted characters so even if a gil seller tell deletes his/her character after, the GM can still find their account easily.

I don't really understand what the "SE can't do anything" bull crap is. Stop white knighting SE. I'm tired of harassment messages 39092039203 times per day and they are in shouts now too cuz why not? I stopped going busy because I need to resume my social life in FFXIV since it's what I cherish above all else but these gil seller tells are really really really bad, they destroy my immersion and constantly remind me of how filthy humanity is needing to pay their way to the top of anything.


Also look at my timestamp on these messages. All... day... long. I do get an hour or so here and there of a break before it resumes like a damn machine gun nonstop. And no the solution isn't to disable all communication with other people in the game, if I want a single player game I'll go play Skyrim. I like my socializing thank you.

[Trixxy]

Whenever people say that SE can\\'t do anything - firstly SE didn\\'t even TRY doing anything other than an occasional news post about accounts that were punished for rmt (yet for some reason only 1 out of a 100 other rmt bots appears as deleted to this day).

Unlock /tell by level 10.
Unlock chat functions as lowbie quest rewards

By this point we either eliminated every lv1 bot or at least made it more difficult / less profitable for rmt companies to continue bothering with xiv.

Have the gm\\'s do some actual work by monitoring major discrepancies / changes to the market board and have then investigate the source of that money or masses of expensive items that keep appearing out of nowhere.

and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD let us blacklist people before going through the trouble of continually rejecting friend request spam by bots.

Is that really too much to ask for, for a non-rmt dictated market in an already sub based mmo?

[tocsin]

Firstly, good job stating exactly what everyone in this thread already knows. Secondly yes, sifting through 500 spam tells to see if I MIGHT have gotten a legit one is a great idea.

sorry, based on the immediate responses, it looked like a lot of people DIDNT realize what "the players" meant, and took it personally. it happens.

Second of all, gil buying wont stop with only temp banning the gil buyers. most of the people that I suspect have bought gil, have been new players, that legitimately didn't know any better. they got these tells, thought they were legit, and thought they would get a head start via rmt.

SE also needs to do a MUCH better job of educating new players about this. right now, they don't.

Now, my opinion...

Shards are at a 3 month low, due to increased RMT activity. My profit margins for making my own gil, are at 3 month highs as a result. I'm happy with the way things are.

[Ultimatecalibur]

One thing to consider is that player activity is lower right now due to patch lifecycle. The same number of new spam bots may be being created but fewer targets means that you are more likely to get hit when a bot /tells a random group of players.

[Shneibel]

SE also needs to do a MUCH better job of educating new players about this. right now, they don't.

an acc ban will be a good start for the education lesson, both seller and buyer

[tocsin]

an acc ban will be a good start for the education lesson, both seller and buyer

an account ban for the buyer means a lost legitimate customer. based on how much they are charging for the expansion, SE cant afford to be losing paying customers right now, they are running low on them.

[Shneibel]

an account ban for the buyer means a lost legitimate customer. based on how much they are charging for the expansion, SE cant afford to be losing paying customers right now, they are running low on them.

a warning might & might not stop ppl from buy gil. If player get a warning every time they buy gil from RMT & no further action, no one will stop. If the player get ban when he/she buy gil from RMT, other will have to think twice before they buy gil