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    FoxyAreku's Avatar
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    Areku Foxfire
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRogueX View Post
    Why is it stupid for there to be a story mode of raid content, in a story-heavy game? I could argue that it is ridiculously stupid for them to have put ANY major story content behind a hardcore raid in the first place (Coil), since most of the playerbase likely would never get to see it.
    People who put in more effort should get better rewards. Just how it is.

    Honestly though, I'm baffled how anyone could not be able to clear coils up to t9 at this point. It's been nerfed so hard that there really is no excuse. T9 is a stupid fight though, but hey you can always youtube final coil if you aren't good enough for it.

    I just don't agree with the philosophy of making game developers cater to people who are bad at their game. They do that enough by default with stuff like Crystal Tower and with how they make every dungeon a zerg fest with weak mechanics. Leave the hard stuff how it is so those of us who know what we're doing have something fun to test ourselves on.
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    Kiriah Aishi
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    People who put in more effort should get better rewards. Just how it is.
    I can agree with your sentiment, but I wholeheartedly disagree that storyline be one of those "better rewards." Leave it at equipment, maybe special mounts/pets/vanity items, but I have a feeling that most hardcore raiders would just skip the CS anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiawara View Post
    Also kk, I mis-read then, no need to be witty and rude about it.
    Fair enough, it was quite rude. I apologize for the issues I caused.
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    Last edited by Violyre; 03-22-2015 at 02:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    People who put in more effort should get better rewards. Just how it is.

    Honestly though, I'm baffled how anyone could not be able to clear coils up to t9 at this point. It's been nerfed so hard that there really is no excuse. T9 is a stupid fight though, but hey you can always youtube final coil if you aren't good enough for it.

    I just don't agree with the philosophy of making game developers cater to people who are bad at their game. They do that enough by default with stuff like Crystal Tower and with how they make every dungeon a zerg fest with weak mechanics. Leave the hard stuff how it is so those of us who know what we're doing have something fun to test ourselves on.
    It's quite simple as to why people have yet to clear T5 and T9 still even when they outgear it. You can heal wounds, cure diseases, but you can never remedy stupid. Either they're incapable of learning and adapting even when they overpower the content, or they're not trying. Despite this, I feel that if they're not good enough to do such things that they shouldn't see the content until an actual faceroll mode is introduced that caters to their lack of mental capacity. Which, even then... One could argue that they could fail in that too.
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    Arias Lightbearer
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    People who put in more effort should get better rewards. Just how it is.
    And see, here is where I take an issue with your opinion. Just because one person has more time to "put in more effort" than another doesn't mean they deserve "better" rewards. More rewards, maybe, but they already have that in the fact that they can experience more of the game (level all jobs, crafts, complete the zodiac weapons, etc). We all pay for this game. We all deserve the same quality of rewards.

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyAreku View Post
    I just don't agree with the philosophy of making game developers cater to people who are bad at their game. They do that enough by default with stuff like Crystal Tower and with how they make every dungeon a zerg fest with weak mechanics. Leave the hard stuff how it is so those of us who know what we're doing have something fun to test ourselves on.
    There it is. You are basically claiming that anyone who can't do coil by default are bad players. Generalizing. And you are incredibly wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reokudo View Post
    It's quite simple as to why people have yet to clear T5 and T9 still even when they outgear it. You can heal wounds, cure diseases, but you can never remedy stupid. Either they're incapable of learning and adapting even when they overpower the content, or they're not trying. Despite this, I feel that if they're not good enough to do such things that they shouldn't see the content until an actual faceroll mode is introduced that caters to their lack of mental capacity. Which, even then... One could argue that they could fail in that too.
    This very comment is the stupid you claim can never be remedied. The level of elitist BS in this post is astounding. Assuming that someone can't do the mechanics because they're stupid? That they 'lack mental capacity?' That is moronic and downright ignorant. It's disgusting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mugiawara View Post
    I'm just annoyed at how many times the "!" pops up in his sentences.
    He means serious business!!!!
    But, I thought it was important to use as many exclamation points as possible because it helps you get your point across!!!!!!!!!1!!!1!1!!!11!!1one!!1!!eleven!11!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reokudo View Post
    It's quite simple as to why people have yet to clear T5 and T9 still even when they outgear it. You can heal wounds, cure diseases, but you can never remedy stupid. Either they're incapable of learning and adapting even when they overpower the content, or they're not trying. Despite this, I feel that if they're not good enough to do such things that they shouldn't see the content until an actual faceroll mode is introduced that caters to their lack of mental capacity. Which, even then... One could argue that they could fail in that too.
    When do you start your job at NASA Einstein? Surely they must have snapped you up after seeing 'cleared coil T9 in FFXIV' on your CV.
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