Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Sleigh]

Must be one hell of a BLM and BRD then, to be so close to a Ninja on coil...

I can understand on t10 depending on strat, but losing to a bard on 12, and t13 doesn't seem ok to me...

I've never seen a DRG (without a NIN) who had to LB do above 500 on T13. Between LB, Earthshakers in final phase, and the massive amount of downtime, sounds hard. On the other hand I've seen BRD and BLM do 510, with room for improvement if they were in lower DPS groups where they got to attack more of the adds.

I could see it in mid-level DPS groups only. I'd be keen on seeing other high DPS group's DRG's numbers in each turns, with sub-6m T10, 11, sub-7m T12, and sub 11m T13 though - I did see a DRG do 600 T10 but I think that was with Doomspikes and the AoE strat.

[rickyguo]

I've never seen a DRG (without a NIN) who had to LB do above 500 on T13. Between LB, Earthshakers in final phase, and the massive amount of downtime, sounds hard. On the other hand I've seen BRD and BLM do 510, with room for improvement if they were in lower DPS groups where they got to attack more of the adds.

I could see it in mid-level DPS groups only. I'd be keen on seeing other high DPS group's DRG's numbers in each turns, with sub-6m T10, 11, sub-7m T12, and sub 11m T13 though - I did see a DRG do 600 T10 but I think that was with Doomspikes and the AoE strat.

alright you don't really lose that much dps with final phase earthshakers. If blms and bards are doing more dps, then it means that they are doing most of it during the add phase and therefore is taking it from your other dps. I did more than 500 on t13 this week without a ninja and lbing but that's with 7 people, so once again, more damage during adds.

I mean Dragoon is pretty close if not the same as monk/ninja and would be more dps with +8.5% for bards. If your dragoon is losing to blms and bards then he's doing something wrong. It should really only be possible in t13 due to aoeing adds.

I was top dps in my first clear before the buffs.

[Sleigh]

alright you don't really lose that much dps with final phase earthshakers. If blms and bards are doing more dps, then it means that they are doing most of it during the add phase and therefore is taking it from your other dps. I did more than 500 on t13 this week without a ninja and lbing but that's with 7 people, so once again, more damage during adds.

I mean Dragoon is pretty close if not the same as monk/ninja and would be more dps with +8.5% for bards. If your dragoon is losing to blms and bards then he's doing something wrong. It should really only be possible in t13 due to aoeing adds.

I was top dps in my first clear before the buffs.

Sure in 7 man, everyone's DPS is gonna be up, more time and AoE opportunity on adds, and a longer fight relative to the mandatory downtime. Much much harder if everyone's on point to do 500 or so, way too much just standing around. If you wanna talk about DPS solely on Bahamut and/or the wyverns that spawn sure DRG is gonna be higher up % wise compared to the whole fight but it's still slightly lowest by a couple thousand damage taken in my sub-11m group, counting the wyverns' damage taken.

Need DRG numbers for T10-13 in a comparable group, 7 mans or regular clear times aren't gonna give a fair comparison. I've yet to see a DRG top most of my group's numbers including BLM/BRD in fast clears but I'm always open to see more groups' numbers!