Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[seekified]

You've got 384 SkillSpeed already. Just delay your Blood for Blood timing.

This should explain it a bit more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfjU6hJC_II

I couldn't quite pull it off with 384 SS while only swapping places for Sweep and BfB, but using all my jumps in my opening rotation probably adds around a second (after the PS-Phle-Jump I usually do TT-SD-VT-LS-FT-DFD if I know I don't need movement for the next 60 seconds). Will have a look at your video momentarily, looks good.

EDIT: I keep seeing people saying that HT > IR+PS > ID is a thing, but wouldn't that clip your GCD since you're popping more than one off-GCD move?

[SunnyHirose]

I can do two non-jump oGCDs pretty reliably between GCDs and have said it is possible in the past, but on further inspection, it seems some people's connections simply don't allow for this. Unfortunate, but that's the game.

[seekified]

I can do two non-jump oGCDs pretty reliably between GCDs and have said it is possible in the past, but on further inspection, it seems some people's connections simply don't allow for this. Unfortunate, but that's the game.

I do it with BfB and Life Surge sometimes when mechanics have forced me to abandon the rotation and just keep stuff up, usually I end up delaying Full Thrust by a little less than half a second. It's not much, but I can feel the delay when I press the button. I only have about 140ms between me and Cerberus though with good bandwidth, so I dunno. I'll investigate further when there's time.

[Dunncan]

I only have about 140ms between me and Cerberus though with good bandwidth, so I dunno. I'll investigate further when there's time.

Take a look if your connection is stable enough to keep the ms stable. Mine is arround 170ms, but it spikes from 140~150 to 180~190. That's why, sometimes, I can pull more than one oGCD with no problem at all, but sometimes it will "ruin" all the rotation.

That's why I hate skillspeed. For it to really shine, you need to rely on your connection, and any variation (client or server-side) will require a little more SS to compensate, while it'll be a "waste" during good connection periods.

Really looking forward to see how SS will change in 3.0, maybe making the DoT ticks faster or something, it won't be so related with connection, and worth a little more.

[Dervy]

Without food and party buffs obviously, but fully geared

[TheKingSlayer]

Ive been trying somethign with my rotation for a few months now and I want to poll the audience of drgs on this thread and gather your thoughts.

Quick FYI, Im currently set up with almost 0 SS. I do the normal opening rotation for the most part, except I use Jump right after the first CT. When the second LS comes up its right around the time Im about to apply CT which would be 250 potency x 125 LS (50% for autocrit) = 375 potency right? ...Where Ive been differing is instead of using the second LS on CT, I use it on my PS buffed Jump, which also comes off cool down right around there. Yes I know its two OGCDs in a row but look at the potency increase: Jump 200 + PS 100 (50%) = 300 + LS 150 (50%) = 450. So doing a double OGCD of LS + Jump when its buffed with PS will net you 75 more potency than LS + CT. Thoughts?

[Dervy]

If you delay it for 2 GDC to use it on your Jump, you're also delaying it 2 GDCs when the 3rd one should be on a FT, instead you're using it on an Impulse Drive or something silly. You'll need to delay it even further by 2 GDCs for it to be used on the next Full Thrust.

I'll do the math later, but you'll need to check the Potency Per Second increase of delaying Life Surge by 2 GDCs for Power Surge, then a further comparison between using it on the next ability Life Surge is available on, or delay it by another 2 GDC for the next CT/FT.

[SunnyHirose]

I do have a hunch that it'd be a slight DPS increase if the GCD clipping is negligible. The last time I recall anyone considering it was before 2.4.

e: you'd be having trouble for the Full Thrust it's supposed to go on on the next cooldown, so my next hunch is no.

[TheKingSlayer]

Im only delaying LS by one GCD (CT). The next LS FT I have to wait ever so slightly, but I can still get it.

[Aiurily]

imo 9 skill bfb isn't worth explicitly itemizing around with non-crafted gear if you're past 376~ skill speed, especially if you raid/farm with selene. if you have enough to meet the threshold just off of melds of crafted bis gear, then great! but if not, i don't think you should do something like swap dread choker for augmented choker to put yourself at 390~ skillspeed

it's definitely a headache to min/max around it though, especially at lower amounts (i mash pretty hard to do it at 365 sksp, gets tiring)