Pro tip: Tell me you're new to a dungeon /rant

[Noxifer]

When I'm tanking... If I'm not in a preformed with at least the healer, I'm not going to pull more than two to three groups at a time (depending on the dungeon and size of the group, of course). If the 'someone is new' pops up, I'm not going to pull more than two groups at a time. Partly because I'm not sure of the others skills/habits, and partly because I'm not too keen on speedrunning for the sake of speedrunning. In the second case, I'm also likely to give basic tips for bosses (e.g. 'interrupt shooting sprees by doing enough damage, ignore adds while he's shooting, caster LB after he leaves' for second boss of Sastasha HM) even in a silent group.

If someone in the party has a problem with that, I'd be willing to listen to them if they speak up. If they do as happened more often than I'd like while I was still levelling and just start pulling mobs on their own, I'm not going to listen. (Though back then I was a 'good tank' and took aggro off of them and consequently died. Gotta save the squishies, right? Even when they're being jerks.)

Basically, if you're not new because you're an alt and really have done the dungeon before, it's up to you to tell me that. Otherwise I'm going to assume that at least one person is there for the first time and won't know the ins and outs of the place. =)
(And if you are new and someone else says they're not really new, that might be a good idea to pipe up :3)

[Zaft]

If there is a message that says someone is new, why bother asking? You know at that point someone is new, so go slower for them. It doesn't matter which one it is, as for alts, well most people won't bother with alts since we are able to be every class. If they aren't new and the server says they are, start slow and if they ask to go faster, then do so.

I disagree. Your job is the same no matter what dungeon it is. WHMs spam Holy and top me off after, SCH multidot and keep me alive, DPS spam AoE, Tank dodges attacks and intelligently uses CDs. That said, I will inform newbies if there is something that is different, such as bursting down the center Lamia/Brine in Sastasha Hard or bursting down the Fungus Tree Thingy in Amdapor City. But, in the end, you're doing the same thing in every dungeon. Day 1 of this recent content patch was "Pull everything until we hit a wall and then AOE" in literally every dungeon.

[AdamFyi]

Thanks for your confession.

Please read his post again and don't be quick to assume. Selective reading is bad people!

Now, tell me that you're new and I will ALWAYS pull slowly and I'll make sure you don't get lost.

Read this, in case you don't see the big picture;

1. In the new dungeons, the first-timer message won't appear.

Honestly, we don't even know what dungeon the OP is talking about and you're all just jumping the gun and harassing him. For all we know, it could have been the new Expert Roulette dungeons that don't even have the message pop up. OP even stated that he will slow down if you answer back with a simple, "Yes, I'm new." :P

[Noxifer]

Please read his post again and don't be quick to assume. Selective reading is bad people!
[...]
Honestly, we don't even know what dungeon the OP is talking about and you're all just jumping the gun and harassing him. For all we know, it could have been the new Expert Roulette dungeons that don't even have the message pop up. OP even stated that he will slow down if you answer back with a simple, "Yes, I'm new." :P

*cough* Selective reading is bad.

No, the message at the beginning does not tell me that there are multiple new people.

So since he's mentioning the message, I'm going to take the liberty to assume he's talking about dungeons where there is such a message. I.e. not the newest three dungeons.

[Nova_Rox]

Thanks for your confession. It's people like you that have made life a nightmare when going into a dungeon for the first time for me and everyone else who is forced to deal with your ignorance. If a message that appears clear as day is not enough to make you show a first timer how the dungeon works, then you become the party's public enemy #1 and it is your own fault, not ours.

Thanks for taking into consideration that many may also be alts.

Please read his post again and don't be quick to assume. Selective reading is bad people!



Read this, in case you don't see the big picture;



Honestly, we don't even know what dungeon the OP is talking about and you're all just jumping the gun and harassing him. For all we know, it could have been the new Expert Roulette dungeons that don't even have the message pop up. OP even stated that he will slow down if you answer back with a simple, "Yes, I'm new." :P

I'm talking about the hardest dungeon ever, obviously! Main Scenario Roulette!

That being said, it's simply AMAZING how nonsensical this thread has become. When I originally made my post I had NO idea that typing "yes I'm new, please go easy" was so difficult. I mean, I do it ALL the time when I try something for the first time, and guess what? I get HELP from the vets! Go figure? And what do I do if someone rages? I quit. I'm better off without that person in my game.

Funny thing. Most people here against speed runs are none tanks. Well, guess what happened when I first started doing HM dungeons on my pld, or even just Main Scenario Quests! I pulled slowly. And got raged at. Every. Single. Group. That want a speedrun. Where do you guys play that people WANT to go slowly on easy dungeons?

[AdamFyi]

I'm talking about the hardest dungeon ever, obviously! Main Scenario Roulette!

Amazing! I obviously did not know that!

That being said, it's simply AMAZING how nonsensical this thread has become. When I originally made my post I had NO idea that typing "yes I'm new, please go easy" was so difficult. I mean, I do it ALL the time when I try something for the first time, and guess what? I get HELP from the vets! Go figure? And what do I do if someone rages? I quit. I'm better off without that person in my game.

I've been trying to put emphasis on that, but people just really want to pick a fight over such trivial matters. What can you do?~

*cough* Selective reading is bad.

Yes, it is very bad!

OP even stated that he will slow down if you answer back with a simple, "Yes, I'm new." :P

[Wobble]

Another problem I have seen in dungeons is this.
Player 1: it's my first time
Player ?: player has left the party
So while yes it's nice to know it is also something some are afraid to announce because of that behavior. That group it was the tank that was new and decent gear and pulls and we ended up with 3 different DPS leaving because he said he was new. I finally told him to stop saying it lol. On another note don't assume it's a speed run if you are doing total randoms in DF, as others have said do your due diligence and check their gear if you are unsure.

[jlewiss]

The only criteria I use for a speed run is an agreement between tank and healer. Dps being new is irrelevant because your ability to kill things using aoe is the same at lvl.1 as it is at ilvl.130 so newness to the fight doesn't matter. Tanks and healers however have to be willing to agree that a) the tank can survive large pulls and b) the healer is skilled enough to keep the tank up

[Ramien]

The only criteria I use for a speed run is an agreement between tank and healer. Dps being new is irrelevant because your ability to kill things using aoe is the same at lvl.1 as it is at ilvl.130 so newness to the fight doesn't matter. Tanks and healers however have to be willing to agree that a) the tank can survive large pulls and b) the healer is skilled enough to keep the tank up

I'll have to disagree to some extent. As a healer, there's a limited amount of time I can keep a tank alive during a speedrun pull. If the DPS isn't capable of burning down enough of the pull within a certain amount of time, I run out of mp, end of story. So while your points a and b are correct, you forget to include c) can the dps keep up enough to make the exercise worthwhile?

[SDaemon]

The only criteria I use for a speed run is an agreement between tank and healer. Dps being new is irrelevant because your ability to kill things using aoe is the same at lvl.1 as it is at ilvl.130 so newness to the fight doesn't matter. Tanks and healers however have to be willing to agree that a) the tank can survive large pulls and b) the healer is skilled enough to keep the tank up

Um...what? If dps is too low, as a result of being under-geared for your chain pulling, things will die significantly slower (regardless if they are being aoe'd or single targeted). A healer doesn't have infinite mp, they can only keep you alive with 8+ trash packs for so long.