Pro tip: Tell me you're new to a dungeon /rant

[Novaura]

The message at the beginning does not tell me that there are multiple new people.

If you do not tell me you're new; expect a speed run and understand that I expect you to understand the dungeon.

Thanks for your confession. It's people like you that have made life a nightmare when going into a dungeon for the first time for me and everyone else who is forced to deal with your ignorance. If a message that appears clear as day is not enough to make you show a first timer how the dungeon works, then you become the party's public enemy #1 and it is your own fault, not ours.

[nuyu11]

Thanks for your confession. It's people like you that have made life a nightmare when going into a dungeon for the first time for me and everyone else who is forced to deal with your ignorance. If a message that appears clear as day is not enough to make you show a first timer how the dungeon works, then you become the party's public enemy #1 and it is your own fault, not ours.

If there is a message that says someone is new, why bother asking? You know at that point someone is new, so go slower for them. It doesn't matter which one it is, as for alts, well most people won't bother with alts since we are able to be every class. If they aren't new and the server says they are, start slow and if they ask to go faster, then do so.

Agreed, I'm always give player commendation to Tank and Healer because they have patience with me and I'm will do the same later to other newbie.

[AdamFyi]

Thanks for your confession.

Please read his post again and don't be quick to assume. Selective reading is bad people!

Now, tell me that you're new and I will ALWAYS pull slowly and I'll make sure you don't get lost.

Read this, in case you don't see the big picture;

1. In the new dungeons, the first-timer message won't appear.

Honestly, we don't even know what dungeon the OP is talking about and you're all just jumping the gun and harassing him. For all we know, it could have been the new Expert Roulette dungeons that don't even have the message pop up. OP even stated that he will slow down if you answer back with a simple, "Yes, I'm new." :P

[Noxifer]

Please read his post again and don't be quick to assume. Selective reading is bad people!
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Honestly, we don't even know what dungeon the OP is talking about and you're all just jumping the gun and harassing him. For all we know, it could have been the new Expert Roulette dungeons that don't even have the message pop up. OP even stated that he will slow down if you answer back with a simple, "Yes, I'm new." :P

*cough* Selective reading is bad.

No, the message at the beginning does not tell me that there are multiple new people.

So since he's mentioning the message, I'm going to take the liberty to assume he's talking about dungeons where there is such a message. I.e. not the newest three dungeons.

[Nova_Rox]

Thanks for your confession. It's people like you that have made life a nightmare when going into a dungeon for the first time for me and everyone else who is forced to deal with your ignorance. If a message that appears clear as day is not enough to make you show a first timer how the dungeon works, then you become the party's public enemy #1 and it is your own fault, not ours.

Thanks for taking into consideration that many may also be alts.

Please read his post again and don't be quick to assume. Selective reading is bad people!



Read this, in case you don't see the big picture;



Honestly, we don't even know what dungeon the OP is talking about and you're all just jumping the gun and harassing him. For all we know, it could have been the new Expert Roulette dungeons that don't even have the message pop up. OP even stated that he will slow down if you answer back with a simple, "Yes, I'm new." :P

I'm talking about the hardest dungeon ever, obviously! Main Scenario Roulette!

That being said, it's simply AMAZING how nonsensical this thread has become. When I originally made my post I had NO idea that typing "yes I'm new, please go easy" was so difficult. I mean, I do it ALL the time when I try something for the first time, and guess what? I get HELP from the vets! Go figure? And what do I do if someone rages? I quit. I'm better off without that person in my game.

Funny thing. Most people here against speed runs are none tanks. Well, guess what happened when I first started doing HM dungeons on my pld, or even just Main Scenario Quests! I pulled slowly. And got raged at. Every. Single. Group. That want a speedrun. Where do you guys play that people WANT to go slowly on easy dungeons?

[AdamFyi]

I'm talking about the hardest dungeon ever, obviously! Main Scenario Roulette!

Amazing! I obviously did not know that!

That being said, it's simply AMAZING how nonsensical this thread has become. When I originally made my post I had NO idea that typing "yes I'm new, please go easy" was so difficult. I mean, I do it ALL the time when I try something for the first time, and guess what? I get HELP from the vets! Go figure? And what do I do if someone rages? I quit. I'm better off without that person in my game.

I've been trying to put emphasis on that, but people just really want to pick a fight over such trivial matters. What can you do?~

*cough* Selective reading is bad.

Yes, it is very bad!

OP even stated that he will slow down if you answer back with a simple, "Yes, I'm new." :P

[AdamFyi]

Is it really hard to admit, "Damn, I messed up. I should've tried talking more to make sure we'd all have the best experience." ?

The point isn't that all speedruns are bad, all tanks are bad, all newbies must say they're new. The point is that a little more communication would have been much better in the long run and that assumptions shouldn't be made. From both sides yes.

What are you talking about? I've been pro-communication from the start.

I just want players who are unfamiliar and new with the dungeon to speak up so that I can explain mechanics of the bosses if need it be and at the same time slow down the pace of the dungeon so that they can take in the information at a good pace rather than have it be all jumbled up and them running around like a headless chicken. It's better to say so earlier when asked than to do so later after doing something you weren't meant to do so that we can avoid any conflicts within the party.

If a player can't even answer that simple question, then are they a vegetable? You give new players less credit than what they deserve. They can speak for themselves. They're not as stupid as you are implying. I'm being serious here. All it takes is to speak up - communicate - the entire point of a multiplayer game.

What I'm requesting for is for players to answer when asked and for players to take the initiative and speak up. Otherwise we end up in the same situation of players just slinging insults at each other just like what's happening in this thread.

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Seriously? How can you not tell that's sarcasm?!?

Because if he were being completely sarcastic, something like this would happen if you were to remove the sarcasm:

That being said, it's simply not AMAZING how nonsensical this thread has become. When I originally made my post I had an idea that typing "yes I'm new, please go easy" was so difficult. I mean, I don't do it ALL the time when I try something for the first time, and guess what? I don't get HELP from the vets! Go figure? And what do I do if someone rages? I don't quit. I'm better off with that person in my game.

Bolded text for clarity. See how it makes no sense? It goes against his beliefs. And just so you know, the OP capitalised a few words to put emphasis on them to show the tone in his voice - not to indicate sarcasm. Capitalised words do NOT necessarily indicate sarcasm. See what I did there? Now, judging by how you reply, I'll just assume that you just want to pick a fight. So, I won't stoop to your level. No use talking to a brick wall, right? Adieu~

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IT IS COMMON COURTESY TO SAY YOU ARE NEW TO A DUNGEON!

IT IS COMMON COURTESY TO ASK IF A SPEED RUN IS OKAY IN DF!

I think this sums everything up quite nicely. Communication is the key. End of story.

[Amenian]

Because if he were being completely sarcastic, something like this would happen:

Um what? Are you being intentionally obtuse here or are you really this clueless? What you edited his post to say is just stupid, not satirical whereas what he actually said was obvious sarcasm. Are you sure you know what sarcasm even means?

Bolded text for clarity. Now, judging by how you reply, I'll just assume that you just want to pick a fight. So, I won't stoop to your level. No use talking to a brick wall, right? Adieu~

Oh right. I should have expected this. Oh boo hoo, someone called me out on my stupid. I'm going to passive aggressive act like he doesn't bother me so people will jump to my defense. I'm such a victim. Boohoohoo! (This is called mocking sarcasm by the way, one of many forms of sarcasm!)

[ExKage]

What are you talking about? I've been pro-communication from the start.
I think this sums everything up quite nicely. Communication is the key. End of story.

My point was really that the OP was placing all of the blame on the players not saying anything and he's not shown that he's willing to accept that part of the bad experience was on him as well. It wasn't necessarily directed towards your beliefs but a facetious reply that the answer is not always binary.


I've met a lot of people who are absolutely terrified in dungeons to speak up, because just like in real life people are afraid to point attention towards themselves. Saying "yeah I'm new" points a big target at them. It's painfully obvious that people are new but they are either pulled through the mud or they get mud thrown at them. Many of my roulette runs start without me getting a stoneskin up on everyone and I don't even get to adlo the tank before a pull. "Hi" and then run. No time for anyone to even start mentioning that they are new. At that point the process goes to "oh crap I can't get left behind!"

Edit: For me, I've always had better results by seeing how fast a few of the mobs are dying and if a new player bonus comes up, just explaining the fight. If they tell me to stfu, then I know they don't need it and stfu. As a scholar, nothing annoys me more than a tank who doesn't watch how pulls go. It is not a pleasant experience healing a speedrun just because there is a black mage but the things die slowly and cooldowns aren't used properly. Or things die slowly, and your party members have taken the time to try and give advice to the black mage WHO ACCEPTS THE ADVICE that they shouldn't Fire III spam and then Blizzard III spam. And the tank has run off to start pulling things by himself. I'm not going to let tanks die when they do this, but it starts to sour the mood for your healer if you do stuff like that.

[AdamFyi]

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Oh don't get me wrong. I'm just pointing out that the OP does make some valid points about his end of the argument and that communication from both parties should always be taken into consideration.

Then again, the OP did ask them if they were new. He did kind of say that he wouldn't mind slowing down for the new players if they spoke up. Regardless, most prefer to get through trash as fast as possible, then when attempting the boss, they have someone explain the mechanics to them. Though, I have to agree with you about the stoneskin bit. It's pretty annoying when I can't even get buffs up. I don't mind as much since I can adjust accordingly. There is no use slowing down the run even more than not even trying.

Anyway, nobody should be afraid to speak up, and nobody should be put into that kind of situation where they might get slapped on the wrist for doing such. Luckily most players I've met are pretty friendly.