Why Speed Pulls?

[Sareal]

I'll have to spam that same dungeon 10+ times to likely see the rng drop I need.

We are all in the same boat. I am farming for these zodiacs too, I'm just as frustrated as you to not see them drop (probably not, tbh) and yet I don't feel an urge to pull everything at once unless I really need to. However you do realize that most pug healers out there don't even DPS at all?

I meet the occasional special snowflake.

Been meeting them more than the average player lately.

DPS don't pull initial aggro on mobs. You are just going to get my healer killed and you are just being an ass

Look, if they asked me if I wanted to speed run or pull more before, then fine, so I can choose my next action before it gets out of hand for me.

[Noahlimits]

We are all in the same boat. I am farming for these zodiacs too, I'm just as frustrated as you to not see them drop (probably not, tbh) and yet I don't feel an urge to pull everything at once unless I really need to. However you do realize that most pug healers out there don't even DPS at all?

That's because most pug healers are bad / lazy. That's also why I go into the dungeons as a healer. I expect fast runs so I do my part to achieve them. If the party is going slow and have no desire to speed run after I inquire, I leave.

[Sareal]

That's because most pug healers are bad / lazy

Most pugs are bad and lazy period. The problem still rests on the fact that I am upset at people taking decisions for me (IE pulling shit onto me). It's not like I have never speed ran before, it's not like I don't still do it when asked to or encouraged to and it's not like I won't start picking up the pace after I have judged the DPS to be in a hurry or have enough DPS / brains to perform. But just as much as I wouldn't impose my slow runs on those who asks, I would love if those people wouldn't assume I want and will speed run simply because I'm wielding a Nexus.

[Noahlimits]

Most pugs are bad and lazy period. The problem still rests on the fact that I am upset at people taking decisions for me (IE pulling shit onto me). It's not like I have never speed ran before, it's not like I don't still do it when asked to or encouraged to and it's not like I won't start picking up the pace after I have judged the DPS to be in a hurry or have enough DPS / brains to perform. But just as much as I wouldn't impose my slow runs on those who asks, I would love if those people wouldn't assume I want and will speed run simply because I'm wielding a Nexus.

That's fine. And it's your right to not speed run if you don't feel like it. Just like it's my right to leave a dungeon if they aren't. No real problem, just deal with what's happening or leave imho. The game is supposed to be fun. If people are playing in a way that's making the game less enjoyable for you, take yourself out of the situation.

[ChameleonMS]

That's because most pug healers are bad / lazy.

Nope, PuG healer do not bother because the healer cannot depend on the group to perform well enough that there is time to DPS. Too many bad tanks not using buffs, or DPS not dodging attacks.

[Sareal]

Just like it's my right to leave a dungeon if they aren't. No real problem, just deal with what's happening or leave imho.

Oh, I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, leaving, in fact, I highly encourage it. I would rather have them leave on me, since I am not in a hurry and they are, they chose to willingly accept the wait time. The problem feels very real to me though. There isn't much else I can do but try to deal with what I am thrown with, I much prefer settling friendily than leaving, not because of my own time loss, but because the situation out of my control made me "waste their time", which is such a serious problem nowadays to waste time that they practically hold a grudge against you for not complying to their demands and then using your right to leave to get out of it all.

[Mykll]

Here is something I don't get in a way. And I know my poor brain is wired differently.

Those who love speed runs, want to get as many RNG rolls in as possible. Ok, so a dungeon with a sped run finished in 10 minutes. Or less, yes I understand that. Normal pulls, 1-2 groups at a time only, the dungeon takes 15-20 minutes. Exactly how does leaving the dungeon, taking a 30 minute hit, re-queuing, going into the BACK of the line, getting another group you have no idea will speed run or not, get you that next RNG roll faster than just sticking with the original dungeon even if it took 20 minutes?

[Noahlimits]

Here is something I don't get in a way. And I know my poor brain is wired differently.

Because trying to get that rng roll isn't the only thing we can do in game. You're acting as if for 30 minutes we can't log into the game. There's plenty of other stuff we can do in game during that period that doesn't involve duty finder. We're not really losing any time by ducking out and taking the 30 minute penalty. Especially healers and tanks which get almost instant ques after the 30 is up.

[Staris]

Yeah at my job they pay me the same if I review 10 charts or 100 a day.
Obviously I do 10 charts.

Lazybad is lazybad

[Moqi]

We've been speedrunning dungeons since 1.0 because of the slot machine reward system. [large quantities of people who want reward] + [intermittent reward payout] = play that tends towards efficiency: we want to squeeze in as many rolls as we can in our limited playtime.

It's only a problem if you make it so by not pacing yourself. Everything in the game is designed to take a certain amount of time: if you want to speed the process up by incessantly farming content you can, of course, but it's souring your gaming experience too. I don't look at the time when I'm ejoying myself. If it didn't drop today, it'll drop tomorrow, I took my time for my relic, even breaks of weeks during Atma and Novus, yet I am almost done with collecting lights (last stage) and my performance hasn't suffered since my weapon is still good enough for the content I am doing (and if it came to the point where it wasn't, I have a faster, stronger alternative in Shiva's staff).

It's like how people are obsessed with capping tomes when I am pretty sure you don't even have to run an expert roulette every day to cap them, let alone all of them every day. But some people want 450 tomes in one day and it's their right! If the devs didn't want you to do that they'd have made it impossible, but if you're pacing yourself and taking your time I can assure you that you can get everything done in a reasonable time without worrying about anything but have fun from when you log in to when you log out. I'm not trying to be condescending but that honestly has never been a problem for me. Whenever I was starting to get frustrated about atma drops or how many more times I would have to run something for that things I wanted I would just stop it altogether before it became unenjoyable, did something else and came back to it when the feeling was gone.