Make Stoneskin 2 instant cast

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Because investing 24s to cast stoneskins on a raid group before each pull was monotonous. There was no choice or timing involved beyond that initial decision to stoneskin everyone, so you may as well have done it with a macro. That doesn't mean the group version should just ignore the notion of costs - there are still tradeoffs to consider when casting it or not.

And what trade off is that?

[Viviza]

And what trade off is that?

That it costs time and MP. Thus:

Yes. So that it's inconvenient to use prior to every pull. It's nice before bosses or if you want to not have swiftcast for a minute.

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That it costs time and MP. Thus:

So what you are saying is the purpose of the cast time is just to inconvenient us? Then why the hell did they bring it out in the first place? It was already inconvenient us before.

[Viviza]

So what you are saying is the purpose of the cast time is just to inconvenient us?

Not sure if serious or trolling at this point.

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Not sure if serious or trolling at this point.

I can say the same about the stuff you are saying. Your point is counter intuitive.

You are trying to convince me, "You guys can't have this shit for free, you need to work for it a little bit." Well that's not a practical reason, it's a philosophical reason and belongs to a different topic.

People complaint Stoneskin everyone takes too much time, that's why Stoneskin 2 is here. If the reason is because time consumption, why still have it around? It's like say your city takes away property tax, but they'll now charge an occupancy tax instead. Don't you think someone will rise up and ask WTF?

[Kelya]

So when you do cast SS before pulls, you cast them 1 by 1? Or you don't cast them at all?

In 4 man, I don't use SS2 except on the very begining of the mission (with swiftcast). For each bosses, I only SS the tank; which is more than enough anyway.

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In 4 man, I don't use SS2 except on the very begining of the mission (with swiftcast). For each bosses, I only SS the tank; which is more than enough anyway.

If Stoneskin 2 is instant cast will you say people who cast it more often than you can benefit from it?

[Viviza]

I can say the same about the stuff you are saying. Your point is counter intuitive.

All spells involve costs which are inconvenient to some degree. They are intended to motivate you to use those spells in certain ways. Stoneskin II has major benefits over Stoneskin I. It takes much less time and mp to prepare a party. But it is not something you need to use before every minor pull and has its costs, in mp/time, weighted accordingly.

[Kelya]

If Stoneskin 2 is instant cast will you say people who cast it more often than you can benefit from it?

Yeah, this will benefit them. But there is no reason to over use SS2.

I'm not saying I'm right when to use SS2 or not, but following your idea you can ask improvment for any spell and say "I use it a lot, it will benefit me if the spell is changed in X way".

It's not about the % of players that use the skill / want an improvment of the skill, it's about a balance. Each time you give improvment to X% of players, you are likely to make some Y% unhappy players.

Look at the "Shroud of saints needs to scal with the MP!". A lot of players share the view, but some others don't and if it happened to be changed, these some others players would have more easy time in the game (whereas it is already easy) and they don't necessarily want it.

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I've read your post 3 times just to make sure I'm not stupid.

All spells involve costs which are inconvenient to some degree. They are intended to motivate you to use those spells in certain ways.

Equals:

Stoneskin 2's cost is inconvenient because SE want to motivate players to use it a certain way.

Stoneskin II has major benefits over Stoneskin I. It takes much less time and mp to prepare a party. But it is not something you need to use before every minor pull and has its costs, in mp/time, weighted accordingly.

Equals:

Even though Stoneskin 2 cast faster than 4(8)x Stoneskin 1, you don't need to cast it every time.

All together: The reason Stoneskin 2 has a 6 second casting time, is because SE don't want people to use it everytime?