Alexander

[LineageRazor]

From that description, It could be that the summoning process itself caused the Tempering...but I don't think so, because Frixio also talks about the touched ones trying to get the other Slyphs tempered and since the Slpyhs of Little Solace wouldn't summon Ramuh then the method must not involve summoning. Instead I think it's the same method we've seen in action from other Primals, a deliberate tempering by the Primal itself.

From what I've seen in game, I've gathered that there are three ways an individual can become tempered:
- The Primal can do it to you personally. We witness Ifrit doing this to a crowd of people just before we fight him.
- You can take part in summoning a Primal. Frixio's dialogue indicates that is why the Touched Sylphs became Touched.
- Beast tribes can capture you and convert you even without the Primal being summoned. Numerous Beast Tribe daily quests deal with rescuing captured individuals before they can be Tempered - and one in particular involving the Sahagin, you are sent to rescue people knowing SOME but not ALL of them have been Drowned and will need to be put down. Since this quest can be performed BEFORE you fight Leviathan in the Main Scenario (canonically, it has been many years since the last summoning), it's clear that the actual presence of the Primal is not required. (Unless they use a handful of crystals to summon an Egi or something.)

I'd never heard of Fern mentioning that the Touched Sylphs asked Ramuh to Temper them. I can't imagine why they'd do so, but even if that is the case it does not necessarily change any of the above.

[WellFooled]

- You can take part in summoning a Primal. Frixio's dialogue indicates that is why the Touched Sylphs became Touched.

I can see where this might be true, but I don't think we have enough information yet to say. Frixio doesn't flat out tell us that it was the summoning process itself that tempered the Slpyhs, only that all those that took part in it were eventually tempered, which would make sense because those Slyphs that summoned Ramuh would be on hand when he first arrived and so he could easily temper them himself.

- Since this quest can be performed BEFORE you fight Leviathan in the Main Scenario (canonically, it has been many years since the last summoning), it's clear that the actual presence of the Primal is not required. (Unless they use a handful of crystals to summon an Egi or something.)

I'm leery of using gameplay to figure out a lore timeline. The Sahagin dailies and the leviathan fight were both added in patch 2.2, which I think suggests that they would be happening side by side to each other in time, despite what order you actually do them in as a player.

[Setesh]

I'm leery of using gameplay to figure out a lore timeline. The Sahagin dailies and the leviathan fight were both added in patch 2.2, which I think suggests that they would be happening side by side to each other in time, despite what order you actually do them in as a player.

In the main scenario quest "The Gift of Eternity," though, Y'shtola observes that the Sahagin "have made thralls of soldiers and civilians both," before Leviathan is summoned. Wouldn't that suggest the Sahagin have a way to "drown" people without Leviathan's direct intervention?

[WellFooled]

In the main scenario quest "The Gift of Eternity," though, Y'shtola observes that the Sahagin "have made thralls of soldiers and civilians both," before Leviathan is summoned. Wouldn't that suggest the Sahagin have a way to "drown" people without Leviathan's direct intervention?

It's possible, but the events of patch 2.2 were not the first time Leviathan has been summoned in Eorzea, only one of the latest. So all of the drowned that you encounter could still have been drowned by the primal personally.