Alexander

[Nalien]

My question of now when we fight the primals now, after the Keeper of the Lake.

What keeps us from being Tempered? Cause "so and so" didn't mention anything about making sure we couldn't be after doing the deed.

The Echo is what keeps us from being tempered. We lost the Blessing of Light, not the Echo, hence why we can understand Ascians following the Keeper of the Lake dungeon. The Blessing of Light is what made Ultima Weapon and Lahabrea such pushovers in Praetorium.

[Sayora]

My question of now when we fight the primals now, after the Keeper of the Lake.

What keeps us from being Tempered? Cause "so and so" didn't mention anything about making sure we couldn't be after doing the deed.

I think it's Ifrit, but a Primal states that the PC has already been "claimed" by another. There's nothing confirming it, but I operate under the assumption that we were already tempered in a way and she's just a nice person to have our soul claimed by.

[Dualblade]

It should be noted that even if we now can be tempered by primals like everyone else, by the time we got to that point only Odin was around, and so far the only tempering he seems to do is via the sword.

On Ramuh, he seems more of a neutral force then anything else, only really concered with protecting the Slyphs...kinda like the Elements with the forest. He seems to lean towards good as well, but ultimately it was only be proving our strength that he decided not to try and attack the city-states. I would put Titan in this as well based on what we know of him, though with papa bear instincts keeping him from reason when we got there.

As for Alexander...well I read what someone said they did in XI, but by this point with what has happened, it could be anything. Hell, for all we know the summoning process the Ascians gave the tribes just corrupts the Primals, and in the Alexander raid he had enough sense to somehow get a message to us so we could try and destroy the corruption in him and return him to truly being holy.

[treuhavik]

Well, the thing about "primals" is that they're manifestations of their beast tribe's element, born with the summoner's will/cause/motive. At least, that's where I believe the primal's personality is based. Aether to make the body, prayer to give it spirit/purpose.

Small aside; Alexander is a manifestation of the Goblins, correct? So, to which element are the Goblins aligned? I'd circle G) None of the above. That established, Alexander is not a "primal" because he's not 'of an element'. The being possessing the machine the Goblins built/found/reclaimed is just an aetherial manifestation, like King Moggle Mog.

So, what could be causing the Goblins such grief? What mentality is the summoning party exhibiting; offensive, defensive or do they just want to see the world burn? Answer those questions and you'll have a pretty good idea of Alexander's personality and intention.

Unfortunately, we have nary a clue as to what the Goblins will be going through in the expansion, but try speculating more on their situation rather than directly stabbing at Alexander itself.

[gorezilla1]

Alexander...Who has been a HOLY summon for YEARS! ; ; as a summoner this is disgraceful.... that is all.

In Final Fantasy 8, Alexander was simply a giant mecha that shot rockets or whatever, I don't remember. My point is that there is poetic license (in this instance, Artistic license). Things change, but the spirit of them can be interpreted by a newer generation. You can't have everything stay the same. If that were the case, you'd probably be better off playing FFIX with multiplayer and updated visuals. But I digress. Let us see what they have planned. I doubt they intend to sully the source material.

[WellFooled]

In Final Fantasy 8, Alexander was simply a giant mecha that shot rockets or whatever, I don't remember. My point is that there is poetic license (in this instance, Artistic license). Things change, but the spirit of them can be interpreted by a newer generation.

In FFVIII Alexander's attacks inflicted holy aspected damage, even his card had a holy element.

I get what you're saying though, the reoccurring elements are reinterpreted every game to some extent or another. But Being of a holy element and being mechanical I think are Alexander's two defining features. To change one would be like making chocobos large, yellow, rideable lizards and not birds. It could probably be done, but it would be a hard sell.

[Dualblade]

I get what you're saying though, the reoccurring elements are reinterpreted every game to some extent or another. But Being of a holy element and being mechanical I think are Alexander's two defining features. To change one would be like making chocobos large, yellow, rideable lizards and not birds. It could probably be done, but it would be a hard sell.

Another thing to not too is that just because something is the Holy element doesn't mean it has to be on our side, just like being Darkness doesn't mean it has to be opposed to us. Its actually kinda funny to think of now, we get Dark Knight as a playable job at the same time the Holy Primal appears.

[WellFooled]

Another thing to not too is that just because something is the Holy element doesn't mean it has to be on our side, just like being Darkness doesn't mean it has to be opposed to us. Its actually kinda funny to think of now, we get Dark Knight as a playable job at the same time the Holy Primal appears.

Very true.

[Kotemon]

I know Summoner hasn't gotten any new avatars yet. However in XI Alexander did summon smaller variants of itself during one of the fights, "Alexander Image". Despite this fact they never got this as a summon (LB doesn't count as a pet). If Alexander is a raid like coil it seems unlikely well ever fight it directly like how Bahamut is just to damn big to fight even if it were whole. Does the idea of mini versions of "it" within the raid seem likely? Or am I just hoping they expand the primals Summoner can use in 3.0 and add it to the list?

[Exodus-E]

(...)If Alexander is a raid like coil it seems unlikely well ever fight it directly like how Bahamut is just to damn big to fight even if it were whole.(...)

They could always pull an Alexander Prime.

Just like what they did with Bahamut Prime for T13.

That would be an easy (and logical) way to handle him.