WHM > T13 Questions

[DreamWeaver]

I'm doing the same method as Ashtine (Medica II 1st then Cure III), and my personal reasoning as below:
For my static, during the Gigaflare cast + when the damage is registered, they're not stack together (Melee still punching Bahamut in the corner, Range standing at Divebomb stack point), that is why I Medica II 1st, then after bahamut fly away, everyone gathered at middle, this is when I'll Cure III.

Additionally, if some static faces the situation like Autumn Hollow where Cure III+ Medica II is not enough to 100% everyone before the megaflare hits, it is recommended to Medica II 1st to allow for additional ticks before megaflare mechanics.

[Sumimi]

Does Dragon Kick really make that much of a difference?

It does, but I've seen kills without a monk in the party. The damage taken by the party is significantly less with a monk in the party.

Also how much MP do you guys usually have by the end of first, second, and third phase? I'd love to draw some comparisons to see how I'm doing on MP management. I can't remember off the top off my head how much MP I personally have during the end of first, and third phase, but by the end of second I have around 1.8k MP - 2.2k MP.

One of my best runs had me sitting at max MP going into Phase 2, and about 4.6k MP near the end of phase 2 when we wiped. But that's very optimal timings. Generally I'll see myself at ~4k MP at the end of P1 and about 3k at the end of P2.

My Max MP is 5.1k with food on, which is really low by WHM standards. Haven't gotten any healer drops since we started :<

I know it's possible to enter P3 and P4 without any mana song with full/near full MP.

One last thing, I promise! Do you guys aid in DPS? If so, when? I turn on cleric stance as megaflare is being casted in phase 1 and 2, and I have enough time for a aero 2, aero, and stone 2. I turn it on after the third flare breath in phase 1, and turn it off right as the markers above the chosen people for earth shaker dissapear. I also turn it on for when our paladin hollow grounds a flatten/3 flare breaths. I'm considering holying for the adds in phase 3, but I'm not sure yet.

I more or less solo heal with lustrates for P1 so I generally don't have the time to dps

WHM MP's pretty important too, and Holy eats a lot of that. Use with caution is my guesstimate.

[PetiteMalFleur]

I'm considering holying for the adds in phase 3, but I'm not sure yet.

As a scholar I help dps p3 to help ease the burden on the dps so they can save some CDs for the final phase. However, the entirety of p3 is on a set timer so any additional healer dps is not helping meet the final enrage. Unless you have accuracy I don't think holy would be mana efficient at all since the chance it will miss everything is pretty high. I'm pretty sure they are also immune to the stun. (I notice they are immune to the status effects of Miasma and Shadow Flare.) Best case scenario your holy will hit everything creating a significant amount of downtime waiting for the next add to spawn.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I haven't thought of it in depth, I admit... but wouldn't it be more overhealing if you Medica II → Cure III, with respect to the HoT ticks? It feels like it. Ungh. But then there's Medica as a replacement.

This hurts my brain.

I'll try out the numbers next time I'm in there (for all three methods if there's an occasion).

Well, you can look at it from two perspectives really:
1: You can potentially replace Cure III with Medica and save a bit of MP
2: Just overheal and be safe than sorry. For that one occasion that someone gets killed because he/she was missing 200-300 HP because you used Medica over Cure III

Either way, it's up to you. Because I have no idea how much you heal, how well geared your group is and how much HP they have. More importantly: What is the scholar doing? Too many factors involved. All I can say is that using Medica II after Giga is simply more efficient utilizing the HoT.

[AutumnsHollow]

Thanks for all the replies!

I actually have even less MP than you, Sumimi. I have around 4.7k with food buff. I go into second phase with around 3.5k - 4k MP. I'm solo healing as well so I feel your pain!

Thank you for reminding me about accuracy PetiteMalFleur, I completely forgot that was a thing. You brought up some great points as well.

[Fricca]

@P2:
Healing roles are divided here. While the add is alive SCH focuses on OT, WHM on MT, PET on raid heals. Add dies, both SCH and WHM are free for flatten, then Med II and Succor before megaflare finishes casting. This is the best time WHM can use Med II because the tick will fall off before the next add spawns, otherwise its not mandatory if you wanna save mp— just make sure everyone is topped off for megaflare damage.

Tricky part: Megaflare+tower on stack point
For this one get ready to time your Cure III after megaflare damage so the marked people will have the hp to soak the tower. That means during megaflare, WHM takes care of the raid while the SCH makes sure MT is alive.

Topping people off for before RoB:
This is where I usually pop my Divine Seal cos I wanna be cheap and just Medica instead of Cure III.

[PetiteMalFleur]

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Use divine seal as megaflare casts. Succor has too short of a range to hit before megaflare unless scholar moves in and swiftcasts it as everyone is stacking. No need to med 2 that early. OT can handle med 2 hots without issue unless they are bad. With divine seal up you don't need that extra aoe heal.

Cure 3 on stack pile is a mana sink and I've seen it miss people on one side of the stack group if someone has to adjust to soak the pilon. Medica 2/medica work fine.

[Sleigh]

I'm considering holying for the adds in phase 3, but I'm not sure yet.

In current gear it shouldn't be necessary or particularly helpful. Most groups I know just have WHM solo heal add phase and SCH goes crazy, and that's enough to kill everything in each set well before the next phase.

If you do Holy, do it only after the SCH has Baned all his DoTs and he's taken over healing. If your angle would be just purely you DPSing over your SCH, that's definitely the wrong way to help DPS, damage and MP efficiency wise.

[Fricca]

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That's why you need to time your Cure III.. Medica works too but seems less safe depending on the amount of hp ppl have after the megaflare cos it sometimes get ugly when they take 2 FlareStars. Either way, you still need to time it. And yes, tank can handle the aggro but I like my heals timed this way, cos I like to play safe as WHM. No point casting Divine Seal as MegaFlare casts imo, cos youll be running and handling mechanics there, so I think you can utilize it more and save your mana when you pop it when you need to top the raid off, and that is before RoB. This is what works for me at least. ^-^

[Sumimi]

Hey! I'm back! We got to Teraflare the other day \^^/

I now has more questions!~

Phase 3
Evil Eye > Dive Bomb > Megaflare - How do you guys heal this, and is it possible to solo heal until storm? For me, I pop a Cure 3 on myself (which will get everyone except the MT tanking the other add) followed by Medica II. I'm starting to think that I can reverse it back so I can let Medica II tick once more. Eventually, everyone has enough HP to soak the mega (provided no one messes up).

2nd Adds - I more or less have this down to a science (Virus first Death Sentence, Stoneskins, Regens, etc.) But I seem to have an issue keeping my OT alive when we're going transitioning into P4. From what I noticed, I'm dodging megaflares while the tank's dragging the mob around. The mob hits for about 1800 and has a swipe for ~2k? A solution I can think of is that I solo heal the last part of the 2nd adds so the SCH can DPS the storm down quicker, and hopefully get the last add down before divebombs?

Also have a question for Phase 4 - How are double pillars supposed to be handled, if they spawn on the people taking megaflare?