WHM > T13 Questions

[Sumimi]

Okay....this is my first week in coil (yesterday was Day 2, we have 150 minute duration coil times) and I have a few questions after spending a good 2 hours in T13. I've read up on the fight and added my own experiences to it, but outside advice is always welcome.

I'm currently i114 with a HA Crook, with attributes in vit instead of mind. I won't be getting my weapon until next week. Is it possible for me to solo heal P1 (with Eos) with that? My Cure 1s barely heal for 1300.

Phase 1:
Megaflare, one Auto Attack, Flatten, Triple Flame Breath - How I handle this:

• Regen on the tank before first AoEs
• Stack if needed, Medica II on Megaflare drop.
• Cure 2 on Tank
• Stoneskin on Tank
• Time Cure 2 for Flatten
• Cure 1/2 for Flame Breaths
• Refresh Regen for Earthshaker.

Can I do that better? Do I need to use Divine Seal or PoM? Long as no one screws up megaflare, everyone stays alive. I'm thinking I can conserve a little bit better.

P1 isn't that much of an issue, I'm struggling a little bit with the transition. With our DPS it generally goes Megaflare > Flatten > Gigaflare. Medica II wouldn't've had enough time to tick...so I'm guessing I should use Medica I or Cure III? I dunno.

Phase 2 is what I'm worried about (and where our group is currently), specifically two sections:

Add Spawn w/ Medica II - The add spawn mercs me if I have Medica II rolling. Much of what I've read involves letting Medica II do it's job to get everyone's HP up post gigaflare or megaflare. I try to have shroud up for the first one, but it's pretty meh and I can't rely on it especially with more adds coming around. I'm at a loss with what I can do here...short of using Medica and using a pile of GCDs to heal everyone else...potentially letting my tanks die.

Megaflare > Rage - Okay, for this two things happen: The raid dies, or the tank dies. I was asked not to use Medica II since I was dying to the add, so I'm at a loss. First two hits > Medica II > Cure 3 Last Hit was the suggested rotation, but I can't do that. Should I just Medica I > Cure 3 > Medica I then? That uses more mp

Autoattacks happen throughout, so I am supposed to trust the Scholar to keep the tank up...right?

Also have a question about Rage: If I Medica II > Cure 3...I really only have to worry about people with 2 stacks, since they'll take 5-6k as opposed to the rest of the raid taking 0 to 2-3k damage. This reduces the need for me to hustle cooldowns to top everyone off after megaflare...is that correct?

This ended up being longer than I thought

Edit (Off-Topic): I have 330 Allied Seals, and two B Rank Weeklys. Today's our last raid day, should I go get myself a twine from hunts?

[Tranquil]

I have never WHM'd T13 (always SCHing it) but I do know what our WHMs do in there pretty well. Without touching the specifics too much, a few quick pointers:

- P1 sounds okay, but it depends on how things are handled in general (Virus, Apocastasis, cooldowns etc.). However, your SCH should definitely help you with the Earthshakers and some pre-Adlos and tank healing, whilst more or less max DPSing otherwise. Always top people off with Cure III in these cutthroat mechanics. (For Gigaflare).

- Scholar is usually on the MT duty in P2. If your MT dies, it is likely their fault. The way we do it is that in P2, I (the SCH) only heal the MT and off-DPS when possible, with the WHM taking care of the OT during the adds of each rotation, and then raid-healing appropriately and support-healing the MT when the add is dead. Scholars can pre-Succor for the upcoming Megaflare late on into the rotation, however. That and or Sacred Soil. Your objective is to keep the raid up in here.

I think our WHMs do Medica II a few moments after the add has been stabilized aggro-wise, which then slowly tops people off over time, from the Rage of Bahamut damage (our PLD Covers the WHM after the Gigaflare that transitions the fight to P2, so the WHM can just insta-top people off with Cure III here). When a rotation of P2 is coming to an end, our WHMs tend to do Medica into Cure III for the Megaflare -> Rage of Bahamut -combo. Divine Sealed, I think. That puts everyone in the healthy enough zone for the Rage of Bahamut. Then, rinse and repeat with the WHM keeping Regens up on both tanks, doing some Cures/Cure IIs on the OT, then using Medica II that tops people off over time. After that, the WHM is on the MT with the SCH.

-If someone has 2 stacks, you may need to have Succor/Adloquium/Stoneskin/Manaward up mostlikely. That is, a non-tank having 2 stacks. It depends on whether people have a lot of vitality and mdef and of course and whether you have a MNK on the raid (Dragon Kick) or not. I generally do a Succor for general safety and people with 2 stacks live at 500-1000 HP. We run T13 without a MNK. This means that if everyone is topped off you might not need extra mitigation (especially with a MNK), but it never hurts to have Soil up there (as the SCH can place a Soil so that it persists through the initial Megaflare, the tower going out [if in the stacked group] as well as the blast of Rage of Bahamut).

- Tell your PLD to use Cover on the P2 add-spawns that are likely to give you guys the most trouble. That or then tell your OT to step up their snap aggro. Of course, this depends on your strats, some people have the PLD blow their Cover in P1 for Earthshakers and more DPS.

[Makuro]

I main sch and play it with our t13 group. I have some expierence healing t13 as whm. Going off what our current whm does to handle damage through various phases I can offer some advice

p1: I am mostly focusing on virusing or eye for eye before one flatten and making sure to pre adlo every single flatten. However our tank cd rotation allows our whm to solo heal mt through flatten/flare breaths while I am dpsing. I do help with healing a dps during earth shaker. I pre succor before megaflares and after all the damage is out from small circles, you generally just medica 2 then prepare for flatten on mt with a stoneskin. Most times we don't get the flatten into Gigaflare but occasionally if someone died we get the same megaflare>flatten> gigaflare.

p2: If a physical dps gets 2 stacks we use stoneskin/adlo/ or apoc to help them survive. megaflares are handled with sacred soil + pre succor. This way all whm has to do medica 1, however we have everyone stack for a quick cure 3 to get topped of before rage hits (No medica 2). I dont think he ever feels the need to medica 2 since I already use whispering dawn after rage. The rest of the phase is repeats like this. As scholar, I am mainly healing mt while whm covers the ot. The phase ends with me virusing the gigaflare and whm using medica 1 or 2 (I forget which one) and a cure 3 once ppl are stacked mid. Also i succor before dives just in case random damage. If mt is dying to rage just ask the scholar to focus on healing mt while you heal the raid. It fixed that problem in the beginning for us too.

p3: Our whm up till this point is basically around 4k mp believe it or not because he manages mp superbly well, at this point with saved mp he is able to be more aggressive with heals and solo heal both tanks (I may throw out a lustrate) while I help dps the gusts/sins/pain/blood. I help him heal once twintania (still pre DoT lol) comes out.

I lose track of his rotation after that but i assume he just keeps to the same recovery tools for after megaflare etc in the remaining phases. I think an upgraded augmented wep will you heal for more but you seem well equipped to heal the damage already. I guess most of it depends on the synergy you have with the other healer. I hope this helped.

[Coldea]

I think this fight is hard for healers because it requires a great synergy between the WHM and the SCH to handle everything correctly. It is very easy to overheal everything (but you get punished for that when the add pops in P2), and it is also very easy to miss a GCD, or forget a cooldown, and boom, someone from the group died...
I like reading guides for WHM and SCH, but discussing with your co-healer will help you a lot. You will both identify what to do, what not to do, when to use a CD (swiftcast, divine seal, Covenant, Whispering Dawn, Virus, Eye for an Eye...)
Personnaly, I improved my fairy control (Eos) and we get to the end of P2 more consistantly, while still DPSing and having more mana in the end.
My advice : identify why people die, ask yourself the good questions : how can I improve my gameplay ?

[Makuro]

...but discussing with your co-healer will help you a lot. You will both identify what to do, what not to do, when to use a CD (swiftcast, divine seal, Covenant, Whispering Dawn, Virus, Eye for an Eye...)
Personnaly, I improved my fairy control (Eos) and we get to the end of P2 more consistantly, while still DPSing and having more mana in the end.
My advice : identify why people die, ask yourself the good questions : how can I improve my gameplay ?

I totally agree. Overhealing is the number 1 problem of most healers. I have healing trust issues lol and it helps to know that I can rely on the other healer. Knowing the other persons healing rotation helped me sort of learn how to apply buffs etc. Even after dpsing and such both me and the whm go into final phase well over 4k consistently. The synergy is the make or break for the fight in terms of healing imo.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Okay....this is my first week in coil (yesterday was Day 2, we have 150 minute duration coil times) and I have a few questions after spending a good 2 hours in T13. I've read up on the fight and added my own experiences to it, but outside advice is always welcome.

I'm currently i114 with a HA Crook, with attributes in vit instead of mind. I won't be getting my weapon until next week. Is it possible for me to solo heal P1 (with Eos) with that? My Cure 1s barely heal for 1300.

Try investing in some crafted accessories. Doesn't have to be the i110 one, two i90 will max vitality melds will suffice. You'll get more HP without sacrificing too much mind then.

Phase 1:
Megaflare, one Auto Attack, Flatten, Triple Flame Breath - How I handle this:

• Regen on the tank before first AoEs
• Stack if needed, Medica II on Megaflare drop.
• Cure 2 on Tank
• Stoneskin on Tank
• Time Cure 2 for Flatten
• Cure 1/2 for Flame Breaths
• Refresh Regen for Earthshaker.

Can I do that better? Do I need to use Divine Seal or PoM? Long as no one screws up megaflare, everyone stays alive. I'm thinking I can conserve a little bit better.

In general you can do without Divine Seal or Presence of Mind here. But you could use Divine Seal to conserve MP. For example: For flatten -> flare breaths you could spam Cure, rather than Cure II to save a bit of MP.
In addition, I'd suggest trying to feel out when earthshakers are about to come out. During earthshaker cast and effect, Bahamut does not deal any damage to the main tank. Try and get a stoneskin up on the main tank right as the cast goes out. Bahamut does a flare breath + auto attack right after the earthshakers. This is optional, though. But it'll definitely make your tank feel safer (they can dip surprisingly low from this).

P1 isn't that much of an issue, I'm struggling a little bit with the transition. With our DPS it generally goes Megaflare > Flatten > Gigaflare. Medica II wouldn't've had enough time to tick...so I'm guessing I should use Medica I or Cure III? I dunno.

Phase 2 is what I'm worried about (and where our group is currently), specifically two sections:

Add Spawn w/ Medica II - The add spawn mercs me if I have Medica II rolling. Much of what I've read involves letting Medica II do it's job to get everyone's HP up post gigaflare or megaflare. I try to have shroud up for the first one, but it's pretty meh and I can't rely on it especially with more adds coming around. I'm at a loss with what I can do here...short of using Medica and using a pile of GCDs to heal everyone else...potentially letting my tanks die.

If the transition always happens after megaflare/before earthshakers, have everyone stack up after megaflare. Use Divine Seal for Medica and Cure III here to top everyone off. Depending on what the scholar does, Cure III may be enough. It's safer in general to get everyone completely topped off, though. Even if that means overhealing. Don't use Medica II for the third megaflare if possible. Competent tanks could get the add off you even with Medica II up. It does prevent any potential add-jojo'ing, though.

As for post-gigaflare. While Gigaflare animation goes off, pre-cast a Cure III while your party is stacked up. Try to time this so it heals up the part before the add appears. Talk to the scholar who heals which tank and stoneskin yours right after. Virus the first and third add too if you want to and ask a caster to virus the second. Apply the virus right as it appears, the first thing the add will do is an auto attack -> Deadly Drive combo. Once the add's hate has been established, park yourself at the center of the area and Swiftcast Medica II. It should hit nearly everyone and top them off before Megaflares.

Megaflare > Rage - Okay, for this two things happen: The raid dies, or the tank dies. I was asked not to use Medica II since I was dying to the add, so I'm at a loss. First two hits > Medica II > Cure 3 Last Hit was the suggested rotation, but I can't do that. Should I just Medica I > Cure 3 > Medica I then? That uses more mp

When Megaflare goes off: Run towards the center of the area, use Divine Seal and time Medica in a manner so it heals up the marked group right after megaflare hits but still heals them before any potential pillar megaflare goes off. The marked group can also get a pillar, it's always under -someone-. Two things to do now:
If someone has two stacks: Cast a stoneskin on that person after the Medica, otherwise idle for a bit to conserve some MP.
If no one has two stacks or is in no immediate danger of dying: Have the entire party stack up for Cure III before rage. Don't pre-cast this so it heals up the rage afterwards. The add appears before the damage is dealt and you -will- build enmity on it if you do.
After that Cure III toss a Regen on both tanks while your Divine Seal is still up.

Autoattacks happen throughout, so I am supposed to trust the Scholar to keep the tank up...right?

You could stoneskin the tank before megaflare goes off if it helps them. Otherwise you have your hands full healing the entire party already. While it -is- possible for you to keep everyone alive before rage (main tank included), it seriously eats away at your MP if you do. Plus, you're not solo healing here. Let the scholar do their share.

Also have a question about Rage: If I Medica II > Cure 3...I really only have to worry about people with 2 stacks, since they'll take 5-6k as opposed to the rest of the raid taking 0 to 2-3k damage. This reduces the need for me to hustle cooldowns to top everyone off after megaflare...is that correct?

If you use Medica (II) -> Cure III in this situation, everyone should be topped off anyway. You could decide to stoneskin them "just in case", though. But you only have time to get one stoneskin out between Medica (II) -> Cure III.

To summarise:
Phase 1 is pretty solid. Maybe stoneskin the tank before earthshakers, but that's it. For the third megaflare don't use Medica II. Use Divine Seal Medica instead and have the party group up for Cure III after
Phase 2's flow is like this:
Giga -> Pre-cast Cure III -> Stoneskin your designated tank -> Virus add -> Regen one tank -> Top off your own tank -> Regen other tank -> Swift Cast Medica II from the center -> Stoneskin the tank for Flatten -> Megaflare -> Divine Seal -> Medica -> stack up -> Cure III -> Rage of Bahamut -> Regen both tanks while Divine Seal is up -> repeat from "virus add" (have a caster virus the second add)

[Sumimi]

So much information to absorb O.O

Thanks everyone, hearing alternatives to the various Megaflares should get us through to P3 :3

[PetiteMalFleur]

I main scholar. P1 I let the whm handle all aoe healing. P2 rouse + whispering dawn is up for gigaflare then for every megaflare after that. I pop it as we stack so Eos can essentially handle all aoe heals post rage saving our whm a lot of mana. If you do aoe heal to top people off do it after the OT has secured aggro on the add.

Have your MT help stoneskin people who get 2 stacks during megaflare/rage combo.

To allow your scholar to dps more in P1 you'll need to stoneskin every flatten. Your scholar should also help with an adlo and lustrate as needed. Ideally you should be able to heal through the damage solo after that. Scholar will need to also help with Earthshaker. Know when your dps use CD such as manawall to dodge the damage as this is more potential dps uptime on the boss and you can further coordinate healing assignments to allow the scholar to spend that time in cleric stance.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

I main scholar. P1 I let the whm handle all aoe healing. P2 rouse + whispering dawn is up for gigaflare then for every megaflare after that. I pop it as we stack so Eos can essentially handle all aoe heals post rage saving our whm a lot of mana. If you do aoe heal to top people off do it after the OT has secured aggro on the add.

Well, since everyone here seems to be a main scholar and may have healed as white mage. I'll just announce my role too :P

As a main white mage - part time scholar - I think using Eos is unnecessary for phase 1 and 2. It just causes me, or the white mage in general, to overheal more than necessary. Medica II is sufficient top top everyone off for Earthshakers after megaflare in phase 1. It is also sufficient to top off everyone after rage, before megaflare.

Considering the strict DPS check for T13, you might want to consider using Selene instead to shave off those precious seconds for phase 1 and 2.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

So much information to absorb O.O

Thanks everyone, hearing alternatives to the various Megaflares should get us through to P3 :3

If I remember I'll record the T13 run next week. We already beat it sadly. Unless you'll settle with a low (read: trash) quality stream of a not-so-perfect run.