Unconventional parties removing the healer/tank role

[Lyzern]

I would like to know the opinion of people in the forums on parties who decide to remove one or more Tanker/Healer roles from the party for higher DPS.

My opinion is that it's getting a bit over the top when people try to do parties like Garuda Ex with 1 tank, 1 healer, for the reason that you sacrifice a lot of survivability for a little higher DPS (Considering tanks on Sword Oath/off Defiance and healers on Cleric Stance do a considerable ammount of DPS), it kinda bums me out when these parties are looking for 1 extra DPS and I'm forced to join with my i108 SMN when I know I do around 80% DPS on my i120 SCH / WHM, plus I can heal any mistakes made and the Selene buffs will even increase the overall speed of the run.

I understand that for Primals like Titan Ex or Shiva Ex, if you're overgeared, 1 tank is preferable because the swapping mechanics simply ceases to make sense if the MT doesn't even go past 3 stacks, but, instead of discriminating Tanks and Healers like we're some dispensable role (A bit dramatic, I know :P ), why not put up 1 or 2 blank spots on the PF instead of being so set on getting a pure DPS?

I don't mean to change anything, I know these PFs won't change because of a forum post, I just wanna hear your opinions on this.

[FoxyAreku]

Garuda EX in particular can be killed before the first spiny plume is needed if you have 1 healer and 1 tank and the dps is good. That's probably why people do it.

[monochromicorn]

You shouldn't say tanks have good dps, a properly specc'd war has good dps, both in and out of tank stance, a pld never will.

And that solotank/heal is incredibly easy, I've tanked it, and even solotank titan is fun. That titan run still had 4 dps, the tank we brought in died each time on plumes or landslide, eventually we told him just to fie so we could raise home to take titan freeing me to get adds, and that didn't even work.

[Tex_Mex]

This is just one of those things that happens when gear gets so powerful that content begins to become irrelevant. Be excited, take a break from your healer and have a little fun on DPS. It is just casual content nowadays anyways so no biggie.

As far as the reason for it, the i110 to i115 zodiac weapon quest is to blame. When you have 2000 lights to grind and you only get 16 -32 per run, completing a 5 minute fight in 4 minutes really starts to add up.

[Jim_Berry]

I did a similar post on Gamefaqs stating how the leader of the group, who was a healer, was extra snotty when the run was messed up from his vision. His setup was him, x6 DPS, tank. This was Titan Ex, and one of his methods was:

During Gaols, he wanted the healer and DPS to swap places. Basically, he run under Titan while the one DPS run away. We then are to break him first. This would determine the DPS check.

[Donjo]

You shouldn't say tanks have good dps, a properly specc'd war has good dps, both in and out of tank stance, a pld never will.

You're underestimating Sword Oath. PLDs have excellent damage when they aren't in Shield Oath, and it's even better if the enemy has slashing resistance down. WARs are clearly better when comparing Tank Stance to Tank Stance, but PLD can actually win out when comparing Sword Oath to no Defiance with the slashing resistance debuff. If the fight you're doing has good opportunities to drop the Tank Stance while tanking, both Tanks will do good DPS.

[Yumi_umi]

Just enjoy it now lol cuz when 3.0 lands everyone is back to square 1 and will not have the gear to cheese mechanics via overgearing.
Back to the good ol hard 2 tank/ 2 healer meta XD

[Cynfael]

Just enjoy it now lol cuz when 3.0 lands everyone is back to square 1 and will not have the gear to cheese mechanics via overgearing.
Back to the good ol hard 2 tank/ 2 healer meta XD

If they're smart, they'll introduce more content with single tank DF configuration like ST and WoD to keep the queues moving.

There might be a temporary boost in tank participation with players leveling DK, but I doubt that we'll see a long-term change in the proportion of tanks to other roles played.

[Sanguisio]

lol, managed to drop tank for primals below extreme ^^

[Risvertasashi]

This actually happens in every MMO I've played (that has at least tank/healer-esque roles). If people can get away with dropping tank(s) and healer(s), they absolutely will. For example, if a dungeon's damage is 100% avoidable if everyone dodges, etc. So, I can understand the logic of some games just making everyone a DPS.