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    Lyzern Thorvandr
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    Healers doing damage

    {Hello}, {Nice to meet you!}

    So, I main a healer (First time ever in a MMO, always have been a damage dealer), I started off maining summoner and using Scholar for dungeons for the queues and I noticed something different in this game: I had freedom to do damage. And I liked it!

    I started putting bios and aeros into everything in dungeons and eventually I became a stance dancer, even put cleric stance on my 4th mouse button and learned the stance buffering. I thought I was the best healer ever. People rarely died and I was actually doing something other than spamming Physick.

    Well, recently I changed main to WHM and I love it even more. Holy is a beast. And using it on big pulls while keeping the tank alive is an amazing experience.

    Problem is: My FC doesn't agree with me. They think and say that a healer should only heal and not waste MP on damage spells, as a whm, this makes some sense, but not entirely. In a dungeon where mobs get killed fast and MP replenishes in between, I figure it makes more sense to just spend MP until about 30% and then stop damaging, but by the time that happens, mobs are usually dead are almost.
    Even on ex primals and coil I try to fit in at least Aero II + Aero since it does nice DoT.

    What do you guys think of this? How do I prove my FC wrong? The damage numbers really are good, aren't they?
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    Myrhn Shirayuki
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    Your prove is that even dpsing everyone is alive.
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    Goji Degotye
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrhn View Post
    Your prove is that even dpsing everyone is alive.
    This lol. If everyone is alive, whatever it is you're doing, it's working. Unless people are dying, do what you want.
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    Kelya Asura
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    In any dungeons you are free to dps like crazy with both healers as long as you are confident with your skill to keep the party alive.

    In any primals, that's the same but according to the other healer and the whole party (pick up team or not) you may have to heal all the time unfortunately.

    In coil this is true that the WHM should dps less than the sch because of the MP. SCH is the one that is dpsing in coil, he's in charge of it and sometimes dpsing a lot (depending on the 2 healers skills) so as a WHM you will certainly be solo healing a good part of the fight, meaning even if you wanted to dps, you would be too busy to. But again if you feel confident, you can throw your 2 dot from time to time when it's safe.

    Tell your fc that as long as your dps moment is not killing anyone, it's a dps increase for all the party, even if sometimes it's not a big number, it's still there. In dungeons it will be very noticeable. They have no argument against dpsing in this situation, so you can do what you want. You prove that dpsing is good by proving that dpsing isn't hurting anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyzern View Post
    Problem is: My FC doesn't agree with me. They think and say that a healer should only heal and not waste MP on damage spells
    Your FC mates aren't good at this game... If we take them seriously, whhy does the tank even bother to dps, once the aggro is properly established ? His role is to maintain the mobs on him, he can grab a coffee when it's done, right ? Right ?
    MP are a ressource that replenishes very quickly, if it is not used, it is wasted. Any extra damage is good, as long as noone gets dangerously low, or die...
    On small pulls, healers can do decent numbers. Lets say that your DPS mates are doing 300 per sec, the tank only 100. That's 700 / sec. Now add 150 if you are dpsing as well, it's like giving both of your DPS a permanent +25% dmg buff, how is that not nice / not acceptable, why is it wrong to DPS.... If that doesnt prove your FC wrong, leave those guys !!
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    Healer DPS is absurdly strong.

    BiS BLM = 600+ int
    BiS WHM = 600+ mnd

    Cleric stance swaps the mnd/int value, and adds +10% damage.

    Holy = 200 +10%
    Flare = 260

    WHM can cast Holy 20 times before they run dry on MP, BLM can cast it 4 times before rotating again.
    In any short group pull with more than 3 enemies, WHM DPS can arguably be the strongest DPS in the game.

    (This only applies to trash pulls! Hehe)
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    Lyzern Thorvandr
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    Quote Originally Posted by UlricCraft View Post
    Healer DPS is absurdly strong.

    BiS BLM = 600+ int
    BiS WHM = 600+ mnd

    Cleric stance swaps the mnd/int value, and adds +10% damage.

    Holy = 200 +10%
    Flare = 260

    WHM can cast Holy 20 times before they run dry on MP, BLM can cast it 4 times before rotating again.
    In any short group pull with more than 3 enemies, WHM DPS can arguably be the strongest DPS in the game.

    (This only applies to trash pulls! Hehe)
    Thanks for those numbers! Really good info
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    Beez Nuts
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    Excalibur
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    It can be fantastic to DPS as a healer, I WHM on my character when I want to get into Crystal Tower runs or 4-man dungeons quickly. on the trash mobs just before the bosses in Syrcus especially, most people gather the mobs and burn them. I typically Stoneskin2 everyone before the pull, slap a divine seal medica 2 on everyone and join in with Holy spamming. It speeds up the kills as I am doing about 600DMG per holy to approx 7 mobs.

    Then if I have another good healer in the boss fights I Stone2 spam until about half MP.

    If you can read fights well and know what is coming then you can be very effective as a DPS on healing jobs.
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    Only problem with this "it's ok if nobody dies" rhetoric that keeps popping up is that it's not always the healer's fault when people die.

    Learn the content you can DPS in. If someone dies to avoidable mechanics while you should have been fine to DPS, that's not your fault. It's certainly good to react quickly enough to save people from themselves, but it's not your fault if you don't.
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    Aquel Kuran
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    Zalera
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    The amount of these threads are endless. It's a game, if you can play and have fun while still doing your job as a healer then do whatever you want. There will always be individuals out there that have their own opinions, they are sadly smothering potential with their misdirected opinions.
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