Healers doing damage

[Moqi]

Only problem with this "it's ok if nobody dies" rhetoric that keeps popping up is that it's not always the healer's fault when people die.

Why is that a problem? If it's not the healer's fault there is no problem.

Here, when you mess around at the detriment to others, those others are real people and not NPC's like in single player games.

This is why everyone is telling him to do whatever he wants as long as everyone is still healed.

[ClaireAbigail]

you can count holy as a heal you know. It stuns the mobs. and if the mob is stunned you know what its not doing? attacking the tank. 2-3 holy could save a big pull gone wrong in a dungeon.

[NorthernLadMSP]

If you're capable of DPSing in CS and healing people nicely, then continue. As a main healer, there is nothing I hate more than watching a healer stand around doing nothing in times when healing doesn't need to be done. These healers will never, ever get any commendations from me.

[Alistaire]

This is why everyone is telling him to do whatever he wants as long as everyone is still healed.

And that's fine, but when you can be right for the right reasons it's better than being right for the wrong reasons.

[Cynfael]

And that's fine, but when you can be right for the right reasons it's better than being right for the wrong reasons.

That makes no sense.

[VanilleFang]

That makes no sense.

I think what he is trying to say that you can't be blamed for people dying if you don't heal them if they get hit by avoidable damage, so if you are DPSing and they die by that sort of damage then you weren't in the wrong. So... I believe he is saying that yes you can deal damage, but don't say that you can only deal damage if everyone is going to stay alive because it's not your responsibility to babysit people who can't dodge? I think... That's what I gathered from his posts anyway.

[Alistaire]

That makes no sense.

I could tell you the sky is blue because it's made of blueberries. Which would be funny until you went up there to try to eat some.

I think what he is trying to say that you can't be blamed for people dying if you don't heal them if they get hit by avoidable damage, so if you are DPSing and they die by that sort of damage then you weren't in the wrong. So... I believe he is saying that yes you can deal damage, but don't say that you can only deal damage if everyone is going to stay alive because it's not your responsibility to babysit people who can't dodge? I think... That's what I gathered from his posts anyway.

In that post I was just saying giving the wrong reasons for something you should do often causes other problems, and it's better to avoid it when possible.

In this case, "everyone should be allowed to do what they want; it's their 12.95" is a terrible motto for team play. It promotes people who just don't care to do things efficiently due to whatever reasons, making the work harder on everyone else and/or causing wipes. That applies to a whm who spams holy at the expense of keeping people alive as much as it applies to the ninja who won't aoe 6+ mob pulls "because they don't like death blossom". You can't defend those actions simply based on the fact you pay a subscription fee, because you've enlisted yourself in a team event and the other people there should have at least reasonable expectations of people carrying their own weight and being at least mildly knowledgeable about what's efficient and what's not.

[VanilleFang]

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I was basically said that exact thing. I may have worded it differently but...
I was trying to make sense of your posts, but I don't really see how I can do that when it's like you are fighting against everyone else. Everyone is say the exact same thing as you, you're just wording it differently. DPS at the right time for the right reason. Don't DPS if it's going to cause trouble. I think everyone here understands that. I don't believe anyone here thinks they should be allowed to run around on a healer and DPS without healing just because they are paying for their subscription.

[Saseal]

Someone needs to make one of those funny 'How To [job]" flow charts for WHM.

Is there a mob? Y --> Does anyone need heals? N --> Does the tank have Regen? Y ---> Cleric + Holy = JOHN F'ING MADDEN [ARROWSPAM]
Does the tank need heals? Y --> Okay fiiine ---> Mob dead yet? N --> [Redirect arrow back to...] Cleric + Holy = JOHN F'ING MADDEN [ARROWSPAM]
Everything dead yet? Y ---> Shroud dem Saints

In all seriousness, if no one is dying or constantly in a high discomfort zone (beaten within an inch of their life before getting a heal, consistently and unnecessarily) and you're not saying "Hay weight gaiz I need MPz" every 5 seconds....... Why NOT dps? I don't get the problem?
If you're a reliable healer, not giving people heart attacks when DPSing, and mp managing, then.....?

If there have been some problems in the past like mad dogging/tunnel vision DPSing or using too much MP and unable to heal when necessary, then I can understand - but if that's not the case, then..... ??? o_O They don't want to complete dungeons faster (in terms of efficiency to move on to the next activity, not speed running)? Or is their stance just a single/narrow minded, "you're a healer and healers don't DPS"?

[MythToken]

All of the top progression groups healers dps. A WHM just casually dpsing in a 10 min encounter is roughly = an LB3 in damage (just to put 1-2% damage in another way)