Healers doing damage

[mp-please]

So WHM has 2 AOEs: Blizzard 2 at level 12 (thm crossclass) and Holy at level 45
SCH: Blizzard at level 12 for the same reason, Miasma 2 at level 46 and Shadow Flare at level 50. Also arguably Bane at level 30.

Blizzard II is only effective as a dps skill combined with umbral ice and even with it the damage is still awful. While scholars and white mages can get it, the way it's meant to be used completely changes and it's better used for the bind effect and being a fast cast aoe. IMO, the only use i've found for blizzard II was to spread adds on brayflox hm last boss (bombs) and the tanks on keeper of the lake 1st boss. Sch wise, mainly those at level 12, sacrificing cleric/protect for blizzard II is a terrible idea.

[DarkmoonVael]

Blizzard II is only effective as a dps skill combined with umbral ice and even with it the damage is still awful. While scholars and white mages can get it, the way it's meant to be used completely changes and it's better used for the bind effect and being a fast cast aoe. IMO, the only use i've found for blizzard II was to spread adds on brayflox hm last boss (bombs) and the tanks on keeper of the lake 1st boss. Sch wise, mainly those at level 12, sacrificing cleric/protect for blizzard II is a terrible idea.

Thank you. However, in the context of the quote I was responding to, the issue isnt wether the spells are useful or not, but that these classes have more aoe than was claimed (even getting the abilities of one spell wrong with bio 2). Also, the person was refering to FATES in the quote, and that is the only probable place that blizzard 2 is useful for whm/sch, hense bringing it up. It is, however, utter trash in any other circumstance......so bad that its probably a waste of a slot on a hotbar to be honest .

[Cynfael]

Blizzard II is only effective as a dps skill combined with umbral ice and even with it the damage is still awful. While scholars and white mages can get it, the way it's meant to be used completely changes and it's better used for the bind effect and being a fast cast aoe. IMO, the only use i've found for blizzard II was to spread adds on brayflox hm last boss (bombs) and the tanks on keeper of the lake 1st boss. Sch wise, mainly those at level 12, sacrificing cleric/protect for blizzard II is a terrible idea.

IIRC Umbral Ice doesn't have any effect beyond increasing MP Regen and decreasing the casting time of your next fire-aspected spell when at 3 stacks.

Anyway, the point about Blizzard II and FATEs has little to do with its damage; it's about gaining enmity on as many targets as possible when they're clustered up. A lot of players forget that FATE credit isn't about kill count or sheer DPS.

[Vena_Sera]

Blizzard II is only effective as a dps skill combined with umbral ice and even with it the damage is still awful. While scholars and white mages can get it, the way it's meant to be used completely changes and it's better used for the bind effect and being a fast cast aoe. IMO, the only use i've found for blizzard II was to spread adds on brayflox hm last boss (bombs) and the tanks on keeper of the lake 1st boss. Sch wise, mainly those at level 12, sacrificing cleric/protect for blizzard II is a terrible idea.

Blizzard II has a potency of 50. With Ruin II having a potency of 80, on 2+ targets, Blizzard II is a dps increase.

[Hysterior]

for coil 3, I am sure your DPS could do with a bit of support, especially during phases that a WHH can handle by himself
you can clearly go above 100DPS as SCH on some phases
and bio spell never misses so no accuracy issue, so use it when possible

[Cynfael]

Until some of these people learn how to DPS properly as healers, they won't get it.

However, because they don't believe that they should have to contribute in this way, they won't even try to get it right.

Hence we have players who claim not only that healer DPS is unnecessary, but that sitting on your GCDs is preferable since FFXIV is not at all predictable but is instead a work of George R. R. Martin, where anyone could die at any moment with little-to-no foreshadowing.

[Kelya]

Just to add something... Do you know that EVERY fight (for now) is solo-healable ?

This means that if you need only 1 healer in 8 man content to do the job correctly, when you bring 2 healers, you necessarily have 1 of the healers pretty 'useless' for healing purpose at least 90% of the time.

The question is do you want to spend that 90% of the time doing :

1) Nothing

2) Overhealing

3) Dpsing

That's up to you but I suppose nobody will want to choose the first when they stand for "a healer wants to heal first" so let's assume you choose the second! Congrats, you are now healing in the wind because there are so few healing requirments and you keep duplicating things like over-protecting a target, over-using AOE healing because you actually don't pay attention to the %damages needed to heal and you just "I saw a raid wide damage AOE, I need to heal through it" without looking at what the other healer is doing...

Unfortunately, teams are not perfect and if you are in pick-up team I guess you can have a bad healer partner or even all the dps taking unecessary damages. For sure in this sad situation you should not worse the things more than they already are and instead just stick at healing. Personnaly I will do everything I can not to join pick-up things and look for a FC that suits me because otherwise you are bridling your owns capacities by playing with sub-average ppl (they are making you a sub-average healer because they prevent you from dpsing where you should).

And fortunately, the opposite situation happens too, not everyone is playing in pick-up team or with bad players (I hope at least) so you just end-up choosing 1 healer in charge of healing job and the other one to the dps job 90% of the fight.

As long as you don't analyze the fight AND the stuff of your healer partner, you will never see that most of the time 1 healer is enough. For now you are actually only standing for overhealing when it's come down to dps, not to the "I'm a healer first I should heal". That's completly different and pretty inefficient but as you wish!