Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[LunaHoshino]

On the topic of DPS, I'm curious: with this gear setup, around what should I be expecting for a baseline dummy parse, assuming no food/party buff/pots/Mercy Stroke? I haven't had the chance to have anyone parse me on a dummy yet, and while my parses in actual battles are always near or at the top of the list, I'm not sure what numbers I should be aiming for just as a baseline.

[SunnyHirose]

On the topic of DPS, I'm curious: with this gear setup, around what should I be expecting for a baseline dummy parse, assuming no food/party buff/pots/Mercy Stroke? I haven't had the chance to have anyone parse me on a dummy yet, and while my parses in actual battles are always near or at the top of the list, I'm not sure what numbers I should be aiming for just as a baseline.

About 500 or so. Somewhere in that ballpark. I don't think "aiming" for a number is particularly useful, though, since you don't want to base your judgment off "that one with a bunch of crits."

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

Hey guys, is there a way to set up the parser so I don't have the merge the fights at times?

Since, for example.

Whenever Garuda jumps to do, her shriek, it stops the current parser and sets up another one. I have to merge them myself at the end of the fight. Or click all (Which is not a good way of finding out real DPS, if I am not mistaken)?

[Dunncan]

Hey guys, is there a way to set up the parser so I don't have the merge the fights at times?

Since, for example.

Whenever Garuda jumps to do, her shriek, it stops the current parser and sets up another one. I have to merge them myself at the end of the fight. Or click all (Which is not a good way of finding out real DPS, if I am not mistaken)?

Options > Main table / Encounters > General.

Check "Number of seconds to wait after the last combat action to begin a new enconter" and set it to 30 (seconds).
Also, check "Usa a internal timer to count..."

[Martyn]

Hey Dervy, when you start the new DRG Thread could you please just put in some DPS numbers. Something like approximately expected DPS at Ilvl 110, 115, 120, etc. Maybe the thread finally gets rid of "is 650dps any good? " and "how much dps should I do ".

About that pentamelded stuff I have to disagree with Dervy actually.
Its like the same thing with Zodiac weapons. If you dont have the money to maximaze it there might be way to get a decent compromise.
Take the ring for example. You could get +3 crit and +3 acc if you put in lvl IV materias in slot 4&5 instead of lvl III. Each cost about 500k - 600k compared to 6k - 15k (on my server). I dont even want to guess how much gil you gotta spent for those 3 crit and 3 acc.
In my opinion its better to use lvl III as soon as you reach 11% chance, but that depends on your wallet and your will to spent gil of course. I also dont want to use flint caviar. Its about 50k here which makes it not worth it in my opinion.

I am kind of greedy about stats too, but as soon as I think about spending like 6million gil for 3 more crit which only lasts untill the add on... nah, I wont do that.

Anyways, for those who dont want to spent that much money or simply dont have it, here is one option to use pentamelded stuff, get a decent set and dont waste too much money. It follows the rule of not using lvl IV materia in <12% slots and not using flint caviar. it shows the comparison to the non crafted bis set.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/PM4Y

[SunnyHirose]

Hey Dervy, when you start the new DRG Thread could you please just put in some DPS numbers. Something like approximately expected DPS at Ilvl 110, 115, 120, etc. Maybe the thread finally gets rid of "is 650dps any good? " and "how much dps should I do ".

I don't think that will help. One reason is because item level is a deceptive number. Not all slots are made equal, for one: jewelry counts the same as a chest piece, while providing less than half the stats. And there is a significant difference in DPS between i110 with a Liberator versus i110 with a High Allagan Spear. Another reason is it doesn't translate to fight performance all that well. Even an innocent question like "what DPS should I do in T10" is going to be confounded by factors like "do you tank it on top of the puddle?" and "how many times do you get stunned for Wild Charge?".

If you want to know how much DPS you should do on a dummy, try it in-game, because that's 100% accurate to the game and it's not unrealistic to expect a near-perfect performance on a dummy (just keep trying). If you are trying to test a gearset you don't have, well, it takes a simulator to get in the right ballpark (they can't be super accurate until we have a super accurate damage formula, which we currently don't). Unfortunately, the sims that are available have some significant problems, sometimes with accuracy, sometimes with user-friendliness.

I think http://sim.ffxivguild.net/ would be okay if (and only if) several things about it got changed, some trivial some not.

[siverstorm]

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I think http://sim.ffxivguild.net/ would be okay if (and only if) several things about it got changed, some trivial some not.

Yeah the differences between what the sims parse and what I actually parse with my gear is pretty drastic (in some sims it's like 40 points or more under what I regularly do unless the seeds are factoring random mechanics, im not sure), while I love what it is and what it does immensely it's completely unreliable from a drg perspective. I remember it being somewhat close last tier (still off by a large margin, but much more reliable).

...after doing some research before making this post I saw an issue on his github about the changes to some classes from since 2.4 and I think that's the reason why it falls short by so much now.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

Options > Main table / Encounters > General.

Check "Number of seconds to wait after the last combat action to begin a new enconter" and set it to 30 (seconds).
Also, check "Usa a internal timer to count..."

Thanks for that, got it.