Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Daweism]

No drops T10-12 again, T13 tomorrow. T10 and T11 I goofed pretty hard this week, T12 I beat my record, T13 we'll see tomorrow. One problem I'm always noticing is DPS keeps being pushed close to 51% on Bahamut right as Rage of Bahamut pops, so we've just stopped dps completely until that last add spawns, kill it, then push the phase. I'm kinda curious what you guys do.

And nice T11 run, you have the dreadwyrm spear right?

Yeah, I'm just missing the Dread neck and ring from being BIS, of all the things to be missing. Ramuh ring holding me back, would've broke 600 easy.
Would've broke 550 DPS on T12 but we had a death and didn't skip 2nd plume phase which tanked my DPS.
T13 We have the same problem on T13 with that last add, kind of just have to stop DPS :-/

Only drop I got this week was tank pants lol, still missing pants, boots, neck, ring wrists.

[Aiurily]

No drops T10-12 again, T13 tomorrow. T10 and T11 I goofed pretty hard this week, T12 I beat my record, T13 we'll see tomorrow. One problem I'm always noticing is DPS keeps being pushed close to 51% on Bahamut right as Rage of Bahamut pops, so we've just stopped dps completely until that last add spawns, kill it, then push the phase. I'm kinda curious what you guys do?

make your raid push dps faster so you push 76% & gigaflare before 3rd megaflare in p1, which leaves you on pace to full dps and not run into any problems for the most part. the awkward megaflare push leaves you with bahamut at like 73% as gigaflare actually starts casting rather than 76%

if you push too fast even with that, then push before the rage and go into dbs with shadow lolol

[Sleigh]

No drops T10-12 again, T13 tomorrow. T10 and T11 I goofed pretty hard this week, T12 I beat my record, T13 we'll see tomorrow. One problem I'm always noticing is DPS keeps being pushed close to 51% on Bahamut right as Rage of Bahamut pops, so we've just stopped dps completely until that last add spawns, kill it, then push the phase. I'm kinda curious what you guys do.

I think most groups get to this point and ultimately most just throttle DPS, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the enrage stays easy and unless you guys want a good clear time or good parses it's not too important.

If you DO want to push it, there are basically a few timings which vary in difficulty/shittiness

1. Pushing RIGHT after Rage. Terrible, I don't recommend this, Gigaflare + wyvern at the same time, the level of healing required to heal up the group after Rage going into Gigaflare, and then Gigaflare into Dive Bombs, while maintaining aggro, probably requires Shroud and a little luck.
2. Pushing right before Rage. The window for this is actually huge, basically if you get the Megaflare before the 2nd Rage it's within that window. It can be pretty hard but do-able, Dive Bombs are a pain to fight wyvern with efficiently and have all 8 members dodge, and you might need Cover on the WHM depending on if the wyvern spawned after AoE healing or not. This timing is annoying though, as I mentioned before you should only take this timing if you're just looking for good records/numbers, throttling for 20s is usually better than risking a 4m~ run on this situation.
3. Push before Megaflare. This is the goal if pushing wyvern, and the earlier you push the better! If you push early enough, wyvern spawns as the adds spawn, have one tank take the wyvern, one tank take both the other adds. You may have adds up while the Sins spawn but if you have enough DPS to get this push timing you have enough to kill everything before the Sin's eyes. If you push before Megaflare but RIGHT before Megaflare, the wyvern will spawn during dive bomb Megaflare of sorts, it's not necessarily hard but don't let your tanks get caught off guard.

It's easy with the 3rd timing, but I'd probably recommend most groups stick with throttling TBH.

[SunnyHirose]

My group has managed to put off getting to that point by using very inefficient strategies

I finally completed the left-side drops tonight! (pics) I... don't really like the look of the helm especially, but whatever. Also, I finally got the stinkin' drop from stinkin' Lost City so I finished up Longinus as well. It was a good day for me.

(Dear Based RNG, please stop pwning us all on drops, thank you.)

[Andyman]

I also managed to finish the Longinus today, to great relief.



But I have a question, I have all the bis items from the det set build, except for the Dreadwyrm spear, as it refuses to drop.

Now a few pages back, it was mentioned that the Longinus has an overall greater dps weight than the Augmented spear when the accuracy isn't needed.

So I've been using the all the bis det set, except with augmented spear and dreadwyrm chest. However, now that I have longinus, would it be of benefit to use the Longinus and the Augmented iron works chest instead?

Thank you.

[SunnyHirose]

Between the two sets you propose, stick with the Augmented Ironworks. It's ~1% more DPS in simulation, and the skill speed is not so high as to cause headaches.

[LucentLagombi]

Finally got the ring last night so first bis drg on my server.

[rickyguo]

i dont got issues like that cause i been doing sales `-`

[Daweism]

Since yesterday's T13 Kill which is the 5th in total for me and received the Helmet to finish my BiS Set. What sort of DPS should I be aiming for at a Dummy with X-Pot, Party and Poison Pot?

I would probably say around 640 DPS. I'm almost BIS (missing neck and ring) still using the Ramuh 110 ring.
Managed 598 DPS on T11 yesterday.

[Daweism]

Well after 3 Minutes, 1 Member in the Party, 1 X-Pot and Black Truffle Risotto Food, I only managed to hit 615. Had no Poisoning Pots, but would that increase it that much?
I'm following the Rotation of this Thread and a long time ago I used it sort of wrong, cause of refreshing Buffs/Debuffs too early, but after some advice I'm not doing any kind of these mistakes anymore,
so am not sure what else could be the reason for the lack of DPS on a Dummy?
If 640 DPS should be the actual DPS to aim for that is.

A lil better RNG and if u waited until u got another B4B off before u cut the parse off I'd say you'd hit 640 no problem, especially if u throw in mercy strokes, which on a "DUMMY" I don't see why you wouldn't. A lot of people like to argue that it's cheating for some reason.