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    Liev Seekir
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    Arcanist Lv 76
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    I have been engaging in the discussion, it is your issue if it is not what you want to hear. Raging at someone since they have a different opinion to you is not particularly, how should i put it, noble.
    You've responded to actually nothing that's been written. You're just repeating yourself. Note that I've been able to respond to your new posts almost entirely in quotes from my own previous posts. Also, raging is laughable. Any stylized text was simply to emphasize points that have been repeated again and again which you have not once acknowledged.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    The fact that you can not accept this is an achievement reward, and not, as you put it, the equivalent of the foragers off hands, is the crux of this matter. If you go to the calamity salavager, it is listed in achievement rewards.
    1. I have not once failed to acknowledge that it's an achievement reward. It literally comes from an achievement...the calamity salvager need not be consulted.
    2. The entire argument is that because this achievement is so hard to get the rod should either be better stats wise or be more unique in appearance.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    You still have to explain how the ironworks is the same as the foragers gear, this is a main part of your argument. One that you have not answered to any satisfactory degree.
    It is not a main part of the argument.
    Forager's Offhands were only brought up in the first place because you insisted that no other class was graced with something special like the Forager's Rod. I do not agree with that sentiment, as I've already stated. This however bears little relevance to the main argument.
    By your own admission, you view the rod as something special. My point from the OP is that it should remain special, if only in terms of looks. As of now, it is special in neither looks nor stats.

    I've updated the OP to reflect this.

    Quote Originally Posted by liev View Post
    "Fisher is lucky to have gotten the Ironworks Fishing Rod. Miner and Botanist didn't get anything."
    This is a red herring. If you're concerned with fairness to Miner and Botanist, make a separate suggestion thread. The point of this post is that fisher had to work, and work hard to obtain the rod. It is my stance that the rod should at least have a unique appearance if its use was going to be limited to a single major patch.
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    If you could construct an argument why its necessary for a fisher to have a higher ilvl ironworks rod as part of the game, you would get support. The argument seems to be "i worked for this, its now the second best rod in the game, change it now SE"
    1. The OP.
    2. Bold and red text obviously doesn't improve your reading comprehension. Let's try font size.
    Quote Originally Posted by liev View Post
    Either:
    A) The Ironworks Rod should be made better than or at least on par with the Lucis. It's much harder & more time consuming to obtain, so the stats should reflect this. (Preferred)


    B) (In light of how difficult it is to get) The appearance of the Ironworks Rod should be altered so that it is at least worthwhile as a glamour item. It's very plain and boring. There's nothing special about it.

    C) Both!? I can hope!
    Literally from the OP. Quoted more than once.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael View Post
    If this is how you wish to garner support for your request, you will be facing a very steep uphill battle.

    Now perhaps stop shouting at people, stop demanding that they immediatly cease any discussion in a public forum in a thread that you created for public discussion.
    "Discussion"
    That's laughable considering this entire thing can be summarized as
    Me, in the OP: I think the Ironworks Rod should be either improved to reflect its difficulty to obtain in comparison to the Lucis, or that its appearance should be altered so that is worthwhile if only as a glamour item.
    You: You're wrong.
    Me: I disagree. Here are reasons why.
    You: You're wrong. (the same points you already made that I already adressed)
    Repeat the last two ad infinitum.

    A "noble" move would've been to voice your opinion as something other than fact, which you have not done. You’re so full of yourself that you had the audacity to call your initial response an “answer” as if you work at SE.

    You came here to argue, and you have done nothing but argue. You don’t get to act offended now because I called you out on it and asked you to stop. Now, I will not grace you with further replies.
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    Last edited by liev; 02-06-2015 at 05:42 AM.