I think its time BRD get some loving

[Snugglebutt]

I'm surprised to see a "buff brd" thread. On the list of classes that I think need help, bard isn't on it. If I had to list each class in a "get buff" order, brd would be on the bottom. Not only is it almost mandatory(I've down t10-t12 with three melee and a caster...) to have a bard, but this is the first time I've ever heard a complaint about bards in general. I thought bards were in a good place. o_O

I see people keep using the excuse of some high end 8 man coils having a bard is preferred as part of a static but in no 24 man raids are bards in any way mandatory, in no 4 man dungeons are bards mandatory, in no open world content are bards mandatory, not even in any trials are bards mandatory and in most of the coils bards are not mandatory either. So I do not buy into this whole idea that because the class is preferred in a few later coils...that bards should be happy that they are lumbered with a 10% and 20% damage debuff for playing songs across the entire spectrum of content in the game.

If you are going to debuff the songs then debuff it with something other than a fairly large limitation on our already fairly low DPS, pick another way to debuff like perhaps more along the lines of MP/TP resource management debuff or even a slight movement debuff would be better than a massive 20% damage debuff. We already have fairly low DPS for most bards in general (with a few exceptions inside the hardcore minority) both in terms of WD, skill stats and such compared to other DPS classes so I see no reason to specifically lower our DPS further when playing songs. Pick a different way to debuff us if a debuff is even needed.

I have no problem with having debuffs for our songs but I do have a problem that they keep targeting our DPS to debuff when we already have lower DPS in general than almost all other DPS classes. The only possible exception is perhaps lancer for physical DPS classes and summoner for caster classes. Both summoners and lancers also need improving.

That's what annoys me. Not that we have a debuff in itself but specifically what that debuff is...which is a large %damage debuff.

[Elim]

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wait...wat

Like I said, I have cleared t10-t12 without a bard. It was a huge pain in the ass though. And the LB bar filled slowly, so that was off too. Most people wouldn't do what my group did.

Bards have the good life compared to other DPS. Not only are they the most mobile(making them the best candidate to do many mechanics in coil), but they have the most raid utility. They are also one of the most simplistic classes to play. Their downside? Not being top DPS. I just...I don't see why having one downside is bad? Why should they get buffs over smn? Hardly anyone wants smns in their coil parties now.

Also, lol, I don't understand why you're bringing up 24 men and dungeons. Classes usually aren't tuned around casual content.