I think its time BRD get some loving

[Doctor-]

The game is at a point where at least in FCOB, having a BRD is pretty much a must, singing for TP has become quite the necessity, I know nothing will probably get changed but if I could suggest something. Decrease the damage penalty from Paeon and Mage's Ballad by at least 10%, 20% is very harsh at this stage in the game.

[PArcher]

I'm not sure how you're in FCOB thinking Foes has a damage penalty to the singer...

[Doctor-]

I'm not sure how you're in FCOB thinking Foes has a damage penalty to the singer...

im obviously drunk and meant paeon xD fixed. woopsie

[Fantasy9]

Thought I might jump in before others. Prepare yourself for a lot of people lashing out at you for advocating for more BRD damage. I am a BRD main and I have pretty much accepted that everyone not BRDs wants BRDs to be useless except for songs.

[TheWaywardWind]

Thought I might jump in before others. Prepare yourself for a lot of people lashing out at you for advocating for more BRD damage. I am a BRD main and I have pretty much accepted that everyone not BRDs wants BRDs to be useless except for songs.

Similarly, the only people who would generally support this are bard mains who feel bad they didn't main a serious DD class and need to stroke their e-peen with a damage increase.

Bard is half dps, half support. You cannot kill off the slight DPS negation from supporting seven other people and still expect to do the same amount of damage; that's crazy.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Similarly, the only people who would generally support this are bard mains who feel bad they didn't main a serious DD class and need to stroke their e-peen with a damage increase.

Bard is half dps, half support. You cannot kill off the slight DPS negation from supporting seven other people and still expect to do the same amount of damage; that's crazy.

Bard has just 3 support skills.
None of them ever benefit 7 people at once.

Its not half and half. If anything its like 80/20, while other dps classes are 90/10.
Bards have more utility than other dps, but not a whole lot more. They should do less dps than other dps-classes, but not a whole lot less.

[TheWaywardWind]

Bard has just 3 support skills.
None of them ever benefit 7 people at once.

Its not half and half. If anything its like 80/20, while other dps classes are 90/10.
Bards have more utility than other dps, but not a whole lot more. They should do less dps than other dps-classes, but not a whole lot less.

They don't do a whole lot less. I have seen the numbers and I've read through much of this thread; there isn't a single justifiable reason to buff bard other than "I want to do more damage."

People need to stop looking at damage numbers from Dragoon, Monk, and Ninja and think, "Damn, I should be doing those numbers, or very close to them!" because you shouldn't. That's not taking into account the myriad number of benefits that being a bard provides over being a base melee, which includes
-Being more able to support party members
-Able to move around attack at no cost to overall DPS output
-No positionals required whatsoever
-No confusing or difficult rotation to master

All of the other DPS classes do so much more damage because they require these things. Bard, however, does not. And not only does Bard not require positionals or a heavy-set rotation, it has the ability to support others en masse. The second you move away from a boss as a melee, you lose DPS. Similarly, mages get interrupted and can't move and attack (outside applying simple DoTs and scathe).

Bard is fluid and easy to manage and provides a wealth of abilities and support for other classes. The fact that nearly every bard main in this thread is complaining about their DPS output tells me that they either need to start playing better or start playing a different class. There is nothing wrong with Bard, pure and simple.

[TheWaywardWind]

They don't do a whole lot less. I have seen the numbers and I've read through much of this thread; there isn't a single justifiable reason to buff bard other than "I want to do more damage."

People need to stop looking at damage numbers from Dragoon, Monk, and Ninja and think, "Damn, I should be doing those numbers, or very close to them!" because you shouldn't. That's not taking into account the myriad number of benefits that being a bard provides over being a base melee, which includes
-Being more able to support party members
-Able to move around attack at no cost to overall DPS output
-No positionals required whatsoever
-No confusing or difficult rotation to master

All of the other DPS classes do so much more damage because they require these things. Bard, however, does not. And not only does Bard not require positionals or a heavy-set rotation, it has the ability to support others en masse. The second you move away from a boss as a melee, you lose DPS. Similarly, mages get interrupted and can't move and attack (outside applying simple DoTs and scathe).

Bard is fluid and easy to manage and provides a wealth of abilities and support for other classes. The fact that nearly every bard main in this thread is complaining about their DPS output tells me that they either need to start playing better or start playing a different class. There is nothing wrong with Bard, pure and simple.

I reiterate because every BRD main in favor of this seems to like ignoring it because of MUH DPS.

[DoubleD]

Similarly, the only people who would generally support this are bard mains who feel bad they didn't main a serious DD class and need to stroke their e-peen with a damage increase.

Bard is half dps, half support. You cannot kill off the slight DPS negation from supporting seven other people and still expect to do the same amount of damage; that's crazy.

We support 4 other people with Paeon and casters with foes. Thats it.
Other classes have awesome support skills too. Multiple ones.

[TheWaywardWind]

We support 4 other people with Paeon and casters with foes. Thats it.
Other classes have awesome support skills too. Multiple ones.

And Mage's Ballad. And Swift.
And Battle Voice. 80% of your job abilities are pure support. Only one is a DPS action.

Other classes, however, are nowhere near this. Also, see above.