The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Dwill]

We re trying to make gameplay better for everyone, whereas the early pulling troll is getting their lulz from pissing everyone else off. You can see them make trouble at marks after marks and make positive identification of the troll early puller. When the troll is caught lying their with their corpse because the hunt groups knows to hold their fire and let the elite kill them and not res them, there is no bias or one-sided story.

Yes, there is. Your entire side would be biased because you're forcing people to play according to a set of guidelines that are based upon the Argumentum Ad Populum stance which is an extremely narrow-minded point of view, no matter how you try to spin it.

[Zedd702]

Yes, there is. Your entire side would be biased because you're forcing people to play according to a set of guidelines that are based upon the Argumentum Ad Populum stance which is an extremely narrow-minded point of view, no matter how you try to spin it.

^This

/damncharlimits...

[NyarukoW]

Yes, there is. ... no matter how you try to spin it.

Look, there has NOT been a positive argument to demonstrate why trolls should have the right to troll and grief other players. All the arguments just excuses via hypotheticals as to what ifs..., or in case that ..., basically excuses and get-out-of-jail passes, none of which show why that kind of behavior should be accepted by the vast majority of the players for their bad behavior. The letter of the law (in this case rule) does NOT forbid the early pull outright, but to insist on that trolling behavior is akin to extracting that pound of flesh without a drop of blodd. Good luck trying.

The repeat offender that repeatedly early pull will be clearly identified, it is just a simple signal-to-noise problem, with enough samples and plenty of people with vested interest to correctly identify the offender at all hours, this will be done easily enough with some patience and lots of people watching. Now explain to me, why anyone, much less the vast majority of the players, who just want to have drama free hunts, why should we have to yield to troll? And more importantly why we should have to be silent about it?

[Dwill]

Look, there has NOT been a positive argument to demonstrate why trolls should have the right to troll and grief other players. All the arguments just excuses via hypotheticals as to what ifs..., or in case that ..., basically excuses and get-out-of-jail passes, none of which show why that kind of behavior should be accepted by the vast majority of the players for their bad behavior. The letter of the law (in this case rule) does NOT forbid the early pull outright, but to insist on that trolling behavior is akin to extracting that pound of flesh without a drop of blodd. Good luck trying.

The repeat offender that repeatedly early pull will be clearly identified, it is just a simple signal-to-noise problem, with enough samples and plenty of people with vested interest to correctly identify the offender at all hours, this will be done easily enough with some patience and lots of people watching. Now explain to me, why anyone, much less the vast majority of the players, who just want to have drama free hunts, why should we have to yield to troll? And more importantly why we should have to be silent about it?

You don't have to yield to anyone and if someone's behavior annoys you, you blacklist them, it''s that simple. Spending 5 minutes doing hunts is all it takes to see why this would go horribly wrong. Heck, no one can even agree on what the clear definition of early pulling is nor how long the person who has found would have to wait before it's not early territory anymore.

Vigilante justice is not solution but I'm not expecting someone who has a clear history of being excessively narrow-minded to grasp such a simple concept.

[Zedd702]

-stuff-

Instead of "voicing" it with the type of energy you are wasting with explaining yourself. How about putting this energy to something that will remedy the problem of the early pull and suggest something that will make life a little easier? Calling someone out over /shout is a good way to start something that could potentially get you and the offender temporarily banned. As it stands now, you accomplish nothing with what you are doing by calling out said troll (aka early puller to you).

You cannot tell me you can justify who an early puller is, just because YOU did not get there before the pull. That puller could have been waiting gawd knows how long before you even got wind to the hunt. Calm down and think...

[NyarukoW]

... Calm down and think...

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Vigilante justice is not solution ....

What vigilante justice? I got no batman powers or what not. People organizing and doing the things they need to get the troll to stop is not vigilante justice.

When the hunt group know to let the early puller get killed by the elite mark and we get to see the corpse of the early puller that is more than proof enough of the early puller. You can call things over shout without resorting to verbal abuse. Simple macro: /shout <t> is early pulling, hold fire, do not res.

...though the naughty part of my mind just wants to be an 'early puller' ....

I doubt your friends in a well liked FC likes yours appreciates getting flak from everyone else on the server. It is not a definition you or I get to decide, but when everyone else on the server is mad at you, good luck to you. We had to throw the trolls out of our FC before it made terrible for the rest of us.

[Cadmar]

What vigilante justice? I got no batman powers or what not. People organizing and doing the things they need to get the troll to stop is not vigilante justice.

When the hunt group know to let the early puller get killed by the elite mark and we get to see the corpse of the early puller that is more than proof enough of the early puller. You can call things over shout without resorting to verbal abuse. Simple macro: /shout <t> is early pulling, hold fire, do not res.

Batman didn't actually have any powers. He was just super smart and used awesome gadgets.

[MirielleLavandre]

When the hunt group know to let the early puller get killed by the elite mark and we get to see the corpse of the early puller that is more than proof enough of the early puller. Y.

This won't work on our server -- as soon as people see the mark's name change color, they attack for fear of not capping seals, which is hard enough as it is now with the number of people hunting. Even if your own 'hunt group' and a few other little hunting parties agree to not attack or heal or raise, the other 50-60 randoms and aetheryte sitters will all attack no matter what. With so many people not even needing or caring about hunt LS, I also doubt anyone would care about being 'shamed'. Just saying - it is a nice thought that everyone will play nice together, but as I said above - it doesn't work out that way in reality.

[NyarukoW]

This won't work on our server -- as soon as people see the mark's name change color, they attack for fear of not capping seals ....

Funny thing this has happened more than once on our server, and I was there to witness it. It probably won't happen during prime time hours when all the kiddies are on, but they are playing with fire if they try to push their luck. But more often than not, I've seen people asking for it to reset and getting people to hold fire, and let it reset and seen it reset successfully for the benefit of everyone.

[Dwill]

What vigilante justice? I got no batman powers or what not. People organizing and doing the things they need to get the troll to stop is not vigilante justice.

This the definition of Vigilante:

vigilante
/ˌvɪdʒɪˈlæntɪ/
noun
1.
one of an organized group of citizens who take upon themselves the protection of their district, properties, etc

What you described is literally the definition of the word.

When the hunt group know to let the early puller get killed by the elite mark and we get to see the corpse of the early puller that is more than proof enough of the early puller. You can call things over shout without resorting to verbal abuse. Simple macro: /shout <t> is early pulling, hold fire, do not res.

You literally dodged the topic of what can be considered early. Mobs were designed to be killed by a specific amount of people so if a group of people meets the requirement to kill it, you are in no right to demand that they do not pull. There's no fixed time about what can be considered early so your little "Let's shame people on the forums" stance because they do not adhere to your personal guidelines defies any definition of logic. I get it, you're mad that someone pulled before you got there. Big deal. Put on your big boy pants and move on to the next target.