The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Tiggy]

Snugglebutt, I'd just drop it. Nyaruko is always stuck in an intransigent and idealistic position that never works in the real world. Let him live his dream while the rest of us live in reality. It doesn't matter that the whole situation boils down to a he said she said scenario at all. None of that matters to Nyaruko.

[NyarukoW]

That's all fine and dandy except most early pullers aren't some solo idiot....

It doesn't matter if the early puller is in some random party, the other players there have responsibility to keep the early puller alive. The fear of getting a bad reputation is often more them enough to get them not help the early puller, not to mention if they are in the same LS or multiple LS with the hunt groups they would help identify who the early puller is because they'd see it first hand. So what does that leave, the early puller and his friends typically from the same FC. This is how the ".exe" FC got themselves a bad reputation and eventually had to leave server 6 months ago, because it does NOT take long before people notice it is always the same bunch of trouble makers at every elite. This why people had to come together and show solidarity to get them to stop.

The accidental face pull, and the straggler coming late crying about stuff is really not the issue. It is the trolls deliberately making trouble, and it is even more important when you get a small group of them doing their darndest to troll everyone.

[Tiggy]

This is how the ".exe" FC got themselves a bad reputation and eventually had to leave server 6 months ago, because it does NOT take long before people notice it is always the same bunch of trouble makers.

There are people who did this 6 months ago on our server. They were shamed repeatedly. They laughed it off and the very same FC and same people are doing it again in 2.5 even going so far as to brag about it. You're assuming people will absolutely make the server impossible to live in and you use that example to prove your point. I'm here to tell you that you're making a logical fallacy if you think all such instances will go the same way. Some servers are large enough to disappear into the crowd regardless of public shaming and long past public memory. You need to comprehend that basic point.

[Zedd702]

Da fuq?

What did I just read here? Seems to me you are basing the above off a very (and I emphasize very) narrow-minded point of view. You cannot dictate what others will do based on how you would do it. I'm afraid that the Human race does not work that way... We have this thing called Diversity.

[NyarukoW]

... I'm here to tell you that you're making a logical fallacy if you think all such instances will go the same way. Some servers are large enough to disappear into the crowd regardless of public shaming and long past public memory.....

Obviously some servers do not have people that try to combat the trolls and let the trolls run roughshod over everyone. If people don't work together to take back their neighborhood and just let the "criminal" element have their way, what can I say, but to try to get people to rally people together and get in the faces of the trolls and get them to stop. People have a a choice here and they can choose to make a stand, but if they want to be complicit by their silence then the mess they get is what they deserve.

.... I'm afraid that the Human race does not work that way... We have this thing called Diversity.

Certainly there is diversity. But diversity does NOT mean that the "criminal" elements should get to run things the way they like. It doesn't matter what fascade they wear, be it PKs, trolls, to gangs, mafias, or narco-states, or outfits like somali pirates or ISIS, the reason they get room to operate is because too many of the good people stay silent and are complicit intentioally or unintentionally. Telling people to be quiet on the forums is telling the rest of us just to surrender to the trolls, but that is not going to happen, because of diversity and there needs to be voices against the trolls.

[Snugglebutt]

Obviously some servers do not have people that try to combat the trolls and let the trolls run roughshod over everyone. If people don't work together to take back their neighborhood and just let the "criminal" element have their way, what can I say, but to try to get people to rally people together and get in the faces of the trolls and get them to stop. People have a a choice here and they can choose to make a stand, but if they want to be complicit by their silence then the mess they get is what they deserve.

Your just making yourself look more and more silly at this stage.

The only person who's reputation is being damaged right now is your own...your not a hero, your not saving the world from some big bad evil that will destroy the game without you putting on a cape and flying in to save the day...you are the bad guy here. You are the one harassing other players because they do not do as you demand based on your own rules and not the developers. If you do not like something someone does in game, report them, blacklist them but you do not have the right to form a lynch mob and harass them in any way, shape or form. Going through this thread the level of your exaggerations about the people you are referring to, comparing them to 'criminals' in your most recent example and even worse exaggerations earlier in the thread are beyond a joke at this point. Seriously get a grip on reality here.

[NyarukoW]

... You are the one harassing other players because they do not do as you demand based on your own rules and not the developers. If you do not like something someone does in game, report them, blacklist them ...

Which player have I ever specifically harassed? Taking a stand with other players against the "criminal" elements, a.k.a trolls is not harassment. You can insult us and harass me by calling us names like lynch mob or whatever else you like, but what we are doing is not harassment by any definition.

[Zedd702]

Certainly there is diversity. But diversity does NOT mean that the "criminal" elements should get to run things the way they like. It doesn't matter what fascade they wear, be it PKs, trolls, to gangs, mafias, or narco-states, or outfits like somali pirates or ISIS, the reason they get room to operate is because too many of the good people stay silent and are complicit intentioally or unintentionally. Telling people to be quiet on the forums is telling the rest of us just to surrender to the trolls, but that is not going to happen, because of diversity and there needs to be voices against the trolls.

Diversity means alot of things that I think you misunderstand, but that's a separate issue...

I don't know where you got the impression about telling you to be quiet on the forums, but I can assure you, that you are clearly mistaken. I will put it in layman's terms for you: I'm basically saying you are responding as if your word/take on the issue is final, as if you are the governing authority on the issue and you're not. Suggestions are fine, but to toss other people's views out in the attempt to validate your own, and then compare it to irrelevant items (like what I am quoting) because they did/do not like your take on the issue is another.

[NyarukoW]

...Diversity means alot of things that I think you misunderstand, but that's a separate issue...

Diversity means a lot of things, but none of which means that we who are victimized by the trolls should remain silent and as some would say "more deal with it". The real world has too many places where there is all ready too much silence and "deal with it" and conceded too much space and freedom to the "criminal" elements who would actually use violent means to obtain the silence.

...I don't know where you got the impression about telling you to be quiet on the forums ...

I got news for you. Look at the thread title ... "needs to end", i.e. we need to be quiet. Sorry no can do, we are going to deal with it by identifying the trouble makers and let them know our grievances and blacklist them if we have to, and we are going to do this in a coordinated fashion to the best of our ability all without running foul of the verbal abuse rules or harasssment rules. It is not harassment to be organized and take a stand against the trolls.

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I'm basically saying you are responding as if your word/take on the issue is final, as if you are the governing authority on the issue and you're not.
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I've never assumed to be some governing authority or government or police powers or what not, unlike some who pretend to speak for the GM using terms like the "confirmed by GM" when no such confirmation has ever happened on this topic. But it is clearly unreasonable to expect those of us who have suffered from the antics of the trolls to take it lying down and then be quiet about it.

[Dwill]

We re trying to make gameplay better for everyone, whereas the early pulling troll is getting their lulz from pissing everyone else off. You can see them make trouble at marks after marks and make positive identification of the troll early puller. When the troll is caught lying their with their corpse because the hunt groups knows to hold their fire and let the elite kill them and not res them, there is no bias or one-sided story.

Yes, there is. Your entire side would be biased because you're forcing people to play according to a set of guidelines that are based upon the Argumentum Ad Populum stance which is an extremely narrow-minded point of view, no matter how you try to spin it.