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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Certainly there is diversity. But diversity does NOT mean that the "criminal" elements should get to run things the way they like. It doesn't matter what fascade they wear, be it PKs, trolls, to gangs, mafias, or narco-states, or outfits like somali pirates or ISIS, the reason they get room to operate is because too many of the good people stay silent and are complicit intentioally or unintentionally. Telling people to be quiet on the forums is telling the rest of us just to surrender to the trolls, but that is not going to happen, because of diversity and there needs to be voices against the trolls.
    Diversity means alot of things that I think you misunderstand, but that's a separate issue...

    I don't know where you got the impression about telling you to be quiet on the forums, but I can assure you, that you are clearly mistaken. I will put it in layman's terms for you: I'm basically saying you are responding as if your word/take on the issue is final, as if you are the governing authority on the issue and you're not. Suggestions are fine, but to toss other people's views out in the attempt to validate your own, and then compare it to irrelevant items (like what I am quoting) because they did/do not like your take on the issue is another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedd702 View Post
    ...Diversity means alot of things that I think you misunderstand, but that's a separate issue...
    Diversity means a lot of things, but none of which means that we who are victimized by the trolls should remain silent and as some would say "more deal with it". The real world has too many places where there is all ready too much silence and "deal with it" and conceded too much space and freedom to the "criminal" elements who would actually use violent means to obtain the silence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedd702 View Post
    ...I don't know where you got the impression about telling you to be quiet on the forums ...
    I got news for you. Look at the thread title ... "needs to end", i.e. we need to be quiet. Sorry no can do, we are going to deal with it by identifying the trouble makers and let them know our grievances and blacklist them if we have to, and we are going to do this in a coordinated fashion to the best of our ability all without running foul of the verbal abuse rules or harasssment rules. It is not harassment to be organized and take a stand against the trolls.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedd702 View Post
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    I'm basically saying you are responding as if your word/take on the issue is final, as if you are the governing authority on the issue and you're not.
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    I've never assumed to be some governing authority or government or police powers or what not, unlike some who pretend to speak for the GM using terms like the "confirmed by GM" when no such confirmation has ever happened on this topic. But it is clearly unreasonable to expect those of us who have suffered from the antics of the trolls to take it lying down and then be quiet about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    Diversity means a lot of things, but none of which means that we who are victimized by the trolls should remain silent and as some would say "more deal with it". The real world has too many places where there is all ready too much silence and "deal with it" and conceded too much space and freedom to the "criminal" elements who would actually use violent means to obtain the silence.
    The above is just a repeat that I have already replied to... Last words I will waste answering this again.

    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    I got news for you. Look at the thread title ... "needs to end", i.e. we need to be quiet. Sorry no can do, we are going to deal with it by identifying the trouble makers and let them know our grievances and blacklist them if we have to, and we are going to do this in a coordinated fashion to the best of our ability all without running foul of the verbal abuse rules or harasssment rules. It is not harassment to be organized and take a stand against the trolls.
    News flash, I said I, which indicates me. I answered your post as if I was speaking to you on the subject of discussion, NOT on the pretenses of shutting you up before hearing what you have to say...

    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    I've never assumed to be some governing authority or government or police powers or what not, unlike some who pretend to speak for the GM using terms like the "confirmed by GM" when no such confirmation has ever happened on this topic.
    Except... that's exactly what you are doing, but you are so deep in your own view of justice, you just don't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    I got news for you. Look at the thread title ... "needs to end", i.e. we need to be quiet. Sorry no can do, we are going to deal with it by identifying the trouble makers and let them know our grievances and blacklist them if we have to, and we are going to do this in a coordinated fashion to the best of our ability all without running foul of the verbal abuse rules or harasssment rules. It is not harassment to be organized and take a stand against the trolls.
    News update, troublemaker identified, tis the poster I quoted!
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