The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Kosmos992k]

Heh, I won't argue that, though the problem isn't the leeching so much as the impatience when the mob is eventually found.

Oh, I meant to add that waiting for 60 seconds or less after a mark is found before attacking it surely does seem like a very short wait - you definitely have a point about that.

On the other hand if a hunt party of 8 find a mark and can beat it, why not? It will be more of a fun fight. I mean, when the hunts were not the favored way of farming things, a party of 8 could happily hunt and engage a mark without annoying the aetheryte campers or anyone else.

The difference now is that the horde has returned - one of the reasons I seldom hunt, and very, very rarely participate in anything involving an A or S rank mark. I probably hunted more after 2.4 and before 2.5 made it fashionable to hunt en masse again. I'll probably wait for it to die down again before participating much in the future. I find it very disappointing to be involved in a hunt for an A or S rank mark, only to see it melt in seconds.

[Kinseykinz]

]If 60 seconds have elapsed since the mob was first reported in the zone,[/B] it's been enough time. The problem is that you're lucky to get 30 seconds (at least on my server), as the aetheryte crew tends to immediately run out and pull.

This is a definable event: as each player who was previously hunting for mobs instead chooses to camp the aetheryte, the amount of time it takes to find a spawned mob will rise, meaning time will be indeed be wasted, but not from waiting an extra 30-60 seconds before pulling.

How do you know that it's only been 'known' of for 60 seconds though. See, just because it was /sh'd out (or /ls'd out), doesn't mean that that notification was the FIRST notice to go out. Many times, the person who finds it, tells their party/ls/FC first...and then waits for them to arrive/be close before announcing /sh <mob> <pos>

Furthermore, it's actually fairly common behavior for groups to /p wait /ls wait /FC wait /sh wait 1-2 mins pull. So if you're only hearing a shout, you are the last to know, not first (typically).

So the person who found its party is now there. The person who found it gave a courtesy shout...and did in fact wait a bit longer for people to arrive. Heck, the person who found it might not even actually have 'pulled' it. But the assumption that the first time you as a player personally receive knowledge that a mark has spawned/location, doesn't mean that that's the first intel that was actually shared....and the ONLY way for you to know for sure it was, was to actually be the one who physically found it first (and if you were, then you wouldn't have arrrived late to gain the credit in the first place).

Going back to 'early pulling' is subjective. Not everyone will arrive for every mark...and if enough people arrive/time has elapsed people will pull. There is a limit on how long people will wait.

[Zedd702]

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Gawd I love this person...

[Dwill]

And at the same time they won't allow us to name and blacklist the troll and won't even want us to talk about tactics to stopping them trolls on the forums.

Yes, because nothing bad could come out of a bunch of self proclaimed Hunt vigilante whose evidence would be based on their biased one-sided story spiced with emotional elements to stir the forum toward making the gameplay of other players worse.

[Mercutial]

But the assumption that the first time you as a player personally receive knowledge that a mark has spawned/location, doesn't mean that that's the first intel that was actually shared....and the ONLY way for you to know for sure it was, was to actually be the one who physically found it first

This cannot be stressed enough. Anyone who has found a mark first (and proceeds to shout/tell party/announce in LS) can generally attest to how long it seems between initial discovery and actual pull.

It only seems like such a short time for those that may have gotten intel from a LS that heard from another LS that heard from an FC member who heard from a shout.........

[NyarukoW]

... their biased one-sided story spiced with emotional elements to stir the forum toward making the gameplay of other players worse...

We re trying to make gameplay better for everyone, whereas the early pulling troll is getting their lulz from pissing everyone else off. You can see them make trouble at marks after marks and make positive identification of the troll early puller. When the troll is caught lying their with their corpse because the hunt groups knows to hold their fire and let the elite kill them and not res them, there is no bias or one-sided story.

[Staris]

Ideally, an "early pull" equals to pulling in a shorter time frame than it'd take for a player, from the first moment the mark is found/shouted, to teleport, load in the area, and run (on mount) to the spot. If you pull in a time span shorter than that amount, to me it's early pulling. If you pull at a longer time than that, then it's fair and other people were just too slow/have connection issues. And I say this as a person who misses marks 90% of times during NA log in peaks because of my 40seconds loading time after teleport, so I know when it's my fault and when it's just people being dicks.

lol... but if the person pulls it, and the hunt dies, it means enough people made it in time, and YOUR the slow one.
No such thing as an early pull
only slow players.

[Izsha]

That's all fine and dandy except most early pullers aren't some solo idiot. They are in a party. They won't die. This thread was never about some solo troll that is pulling to get his jollys getting called out. It was simply about the occasional over reactions and subsequent witch hunts. Everyone keeps trying to polarize to one extreme or another. Not every early puller is some bridge troll screwing over the server for entertainment. Not every shamer is wishing cancer on pullers, but both exist. This thread was for the extreme shamers. So stop using examples of moderate polite 'shaming' as if it makes the extreme cancer wishing witch hunters not exist.

I got kicked from a hunt LS because someone pulled early and I ended up tanking the mob as war and was berated for the next few hunts when I didn't even pull. Or the time I was tanking and got 'fear' so my char ran off into the sunset on an S rank and reset it completely beyond my control. Oh the angry, hateful shouts and PMs I got for that. I can go one just with my experience but you get the point.

That crap is harrassment. It's not defending early pullers. It's not white knighting for trolls. It's a bunch a hunt zealots that think their cause is so righteous they have a mandate to hand out vigilante justice. But it's based on hearsay and is OFTEN misdirected to normal people just trying to do hunts. But, no. Shamers can never be wrong, they are infallible machines of justice and any attempt to suggest they lay off a smidge is defending trolls and supporting a terrible community.

[Snugglebutt]

So stop using examples of moderate polite 'shaming' as if it makes the extreme cancer wishing witch hunters not exist.

There is no such thing as 'polite' public shaming...there are no gradients of it as it is all harassment, it is singling out individuals to be punished by mob rule not for breaking any of the games rules or GM rules but just some other player(s) thinking everyone else must obey their personal rules because they simply demand it and if someone does not they will harass and publicly call to others to shame and punish them.

Nothing stops the person who wants to do such shouts from blacklisting the person if they wanted to do so without needing to shout anything, but to go out of their way and try to get others to punish the player on top by way of such shouts which lead to mob rule, abusive /tells, trying to get everyone to blacklist the person, telling people not to resurrect them, trying to force them off the server like NyarukoW admits to doing is reportable and I will report anyone I see doing such shouts.

[Snugglebutt]

We re trying to make gameplay better for everyone, whereas the early pulling troll is getting their lulz from pissing everyone else off. You can see them make trouble at marks after marks and make positive identification of the troll early puller. When the troll is caught lying their with their corpse because the hunt groups knows to hold their fire and let the elite kill them and not res them, there is no bias or one-sided story.

The game would be better for everyone without you playing. Why? Just because I say so which is no different than the stance your taking in which you think you get to dictate your own rules and guidelines then think you have the right to impose those rules on everyone else despite you having no such right. If someone does not obey you, you think you have the right to abuse, harass and create a lynch mob to harass that other player, beating them down until they either leave the server or do as you want. Your vindictive, vicious and arrogant. Your also hypocritical as I proved earlier in the thread between your stance on dungeons, raids and DF/PF vs your stance on Hunts.