The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[NyarukoW]

Yes because clearly someone in Mor Dhona for example will have seen who pulled in Thanalan.....

If those people were going make false accusation in Mor Dhona about irrelevant stuff, nobody will be listening to them. LOL. If they wanted to do this, they wouldn't already done it many moons ago. People have eyes and can see who is early pulling. They don't got room to blacklist every gil seller and every made up name they hear in Mod Dhona. And if they search to find the person is offline, i.e. can not find them, good luck trying blacklist the offline person. Too funny.

Have I accidentally faced fulled mob too early, yes. But I don't go repeating that mistake over and over on purpose. You earn your reputation as the early puller by doing it over and over. An FC can earn that reputation too when it is the same group doing it. It has been well documented that a FC has basically left our server because of trolling early pull behavior. People will catch on eventually to who the troublemakers really are.

[Snugglebutt]

If those people were going make false accusation in Mor Dhona about irrelevant stuff, nobody will be listening to them. LOL. If they wanted to do this, they wouldn't already done it many moons ago. People have eyes and can see who is early pulling. They don't got room to blacklist every gil seller and every made up name they hear in Mod Dhona. And if they search to find the person is offline, i.e. can not find them, good luck trying blacklist the offline person. Too funny.

Have I accidentally faced fulled mob too early, yes. But I don't go repeating that mistake over and over on purpose. You earn your reputation as the early puller by doing it over and over. An FC can earn that reputation too when it is the same group doing it. It has been well documented that a FC has basically left our server because of trolling early pull behavior. People will catch on eventually to who the troublemakers really are.

A reputation is not earned from only repeat 'accusations', people are blacklisted on the first 'accusation' in almost all cases, people would receive abuse on the first 'accusation' and every 'accusation' in almost every single case. The idea that people would get free passes until they are known as repeat offenders (which really is nothing more than repeat 'accusations' they did something wrong) aka gained a reputation from such 'accusations' multiple times is incredibly naive and ignorant. The harassment starts the moment they are 'accused' regardless of guilt or repeated 'accusations', each 'accusation' leads to abuse. It is a witch hunt, it is harassment and if we were on the same server I would report you for such any time I saw you do it.

Notice how I emphasized the word accusations? That's because all these shouts ever are is such, they are not proof anyone did what was claimed and they are not evidence of someone doing what they are accused of doing. They are nothing more than someone accusing another person of doing something wrong but in almost every case the person accused gets abuse merely from the accusation. If you do not see something wrong with that then I feel sorry for you. Consider yourself lucky you were not alive during the actual fifteenth and eighteenth centuries where such witch hunts could of cost you your life from someone merely making 'accusations', the form of public shouts from those times. I do not care if you think you are always right about the people you accuse, fact is a lot of people are not and get harassed without the need for proof just because someone accused them in a public shout.

[Thayos]

A reputation is not earned from only repeat 'accusations', people are blacklisted on the first 'accusation' in almost all cases

That's because all these shouts ever are is such, they are not proof anyone did what was claimed and they are not evidence of someone doing what they are accused of doing.

If multiple people see someone do something, then no additional proof is needed. This isn't a complex issue like a murder trial or witch hunt... this is literally, did you see that toon walk up to the mob and face-pull it, or did you see that toon walk up and shield lob/voke/whatever it? And then did the mob claim to that person? It's pretty simple.

As for reputations, I've never seen anyone on Hyperion get a bad reputation for early pulling once. Heck, I did it once on accident... I apologized in /shout, there were no nasty /tells or /shouts, and everything was cool. It's only the people who do it again and again who make themselves negatively known.

Also, for someone who seems so concerned with "proof," it's pretty bold of you to say that "people are blacklisted on the first 'accusation' in almost all cases." Now THAT's something that you'll never be able to prove, and I highly doubt it's true.

[Snugglebutt]

If multiple people see someone do something, then no additional proof is needed. This isn't a complex issue like a murder trial or witch hunt... this is literally, did you see that toon walk up to the mob and face-pull it, or did you see that toon walk up and shield lob/voke/whatever it? And then did the mob claim to that person? It's pretty simple.

As for reputations, I've never seen anyone on Hyperion get a bad reputation for early pulling once. Heck, I did it once on accident... I apologized in /shout, there were no nasty /tells or /shouts, and everything was cool. It's only the people who do it again and again who make themselves negatively known.

Outliers or your saying haven't seen it on your server (which I do not believe personally) is not evidence of it not happening either elsewhere or when your not present, I personally have seen and known people who get accused despite not even being on the same map, in every single case I know of they get abuse through tells, they get harassed and a lot of times get blacklisted (you do not have to believe me just like I do not believe your comment above). I have been part of hunts where people have done such shouts despite that person not being present when was actually pulled, the people who never saw who pulled jump on the bandwagon and harass the innocent person, many times I have seen this. As have others in this thread mentioned seeing such happen.

I have seen an innocent person who happened to be near the mob doing other things when the mob targeted them after spawning and everyone nearby jumped in attacking the mob then accused the person of pulling despite not even doing so on purpose or even intending to take part in the hunt, they got abuse thrown at them. Hunt mobs do not need to be attacked to be pulled and being in the wrong place at the wrong time is enough to be accused of pulling early. All these things happen and none of these things are acceptable, they should not be treated as casualties of war and they should not be harassed just because some idiot shouted their name followed by an accusation.

I have been part of quite a few hunt linkshells and people almost always get blacklisted in those by people within when they get accused and word spreads through the linkshell of that accusation, that is what I mean by saying almost always blacklisted. Can I say always happens everywhere, every time, no. I have not been in every hunt linkshell or can see what everyone within does but I have been in quite a few and read/seen most people within those blacklist on the accusation alone, hence why said almost all and not all.

The context is almost all linkshells and hunt parties I have been in, not all hunt parties or linkshells that exist everywhere. Granted I should of been more clear about that comment but it really doesn't take much to realize I was referring to what I have seen/experienced despite the fact I could of worded it better. As I said I will report anyone I see doing such shouts under the report harassment section to GM's in game because it is a fact that is what such shouts are. They are intended to cause abuse, harassment and mob rule punishment to anyone who gets 'accused' by those who do such shouts as a way to make them suffer such abuse in an effort to correct their ways despite being just based on just an accusation they did something you do not like.

I would also like to point out the irony of NyarukoW (the person I was actually talking to in that previous comment) who in this thread is against mob rule on the kicking out of players from groups and dungeons yet in this thread is for mob rule when it comes to hunts. There is an element of hypocrisy at play which I do not approve of in that regard.

[Giantbane]

I don't understand the people that say it takes them so long to teleport in, with load times, that the mark is dead before they arrive? Why are you porting in, surely you were already in the zone, scouting round?

LFM leechers QQ

It is actually a whole lot easier to make hunts if you just sit somewhere safe waiting for shouts. God forbid you're actually looking for a hunt mob in a high level area where you can get agro and aren't allowed to teleport until you run away.

[Ryleigh]

Honestly you can tell when it's an early pull. What kills me is when people complain about "early pullers" when they weren't actively hunting. They try to make it to the mark when they were doing something else or heard about the mark from a friend of a friend of a friend.

[Altena]

It may be an unpopular opinion, but whenever I hear someone complain in shout about how somebody pulled an A rank "early" I can't help but think "So what?".

They're HUNTS. Why shouldn't the people who find them first, especially in the case of the less valuable ones, get to claim their prize and move on. They were the better hunter, they got the kill.

- There is no "prize" for claiming.
- There is no "prize" for being the one to find it. (ie you aren't a special snowflake if you find it - as I am sure you have been to a tonne that you did not find).
- The difference between waiting 30 seconds is negligible, especially if you are going to warp back to Mist or Goblet, just to sit there and wait for someone to find a new hunt for you anyway. (Which is true most of the time).
- The game is not a competition as to "who can get the most seals" or "who can gear up the fastest" - unless you are actually playing on a competitve level such as world firsts (in which case, Hunts aren't really designed for you, especially this late after the raid patch).
- Pulling "early" only ruins it for those that may be a little slower off the mark. They may be running on PS3 and get crammed on loading screens when trying to zone with a tonne of people (as an example).

Just because you are fast and efficient at getting to a hunt, doesn't mean you have to prove how big your privates are by pulling before half of the server that are actively hunting, get to the mark.

If you truly want efficiency, then join a solid Hunt LS (or even better, Voice channel) that is actively looking for hunts, 24/7. If you did, then you would likely be sitting on a mountain of seals, that waiting around 30 seconds for a pull wouldn't bother you in the slightest.

[ChazNatlo]

Quick point before I make the rest of my post: I don't complain about early pullers publicly, and I never refer to a person when I'm being bitter amongst friends. I blame my luck more than other people.

But for the meat of my post: I DO have very bad luck hunting. My Hunt LS mentions a hunt. I teleport into the zone, checking the map link as I go through the animation ((unless it is a two Aetheryte zone)) load the zone "X has been pulled." ((my LS does it as a heads up sometimes, not a shaming)) Arrive at the hunt location "X has died" I see it slump over, hunters teleporting away.

I'm in the middle of crafting, finish my work, no one says it's been pulled, so I figure no one must be hunting at this moment. load the zone "X has been pulled." Arrive at the hunt location "X has died" I see it slump over, hunters teleporting away.

I wait a minute, cause I'm thinking "what's the point?" eventually change my mind. load the zone "X has been pulled."Arrive at the hunt location "X has died" I see it slump over, hunters teleporting away.

I'm either hunting and run into one, or lucky/unlucky and one spawns at my gathering loop. I announce it on my LS, to my FC, and Shout. No one comes cause my LS and FC are asleep and apparently no one is in the zone. I get to ignore it while collecting Mithril/Electrum for a good half hour till someone shows up.

I have very bad luck.

No, there was no point to that post.

[MeiUshu]

Public shaming:
Don't like it? Ignore it.
Really dont like it? blist.
Shaming degraded to excessive name calling? Report as harassment.

Act or dont. Either way move on with life. It's text on a screen.

a text on a screen read by zillions of people and based on that only text they decide to join the bandwagon and without even knowing they degrade insult and tlike, so even if text yes it is not to be taken lightly. Also if you ignore you dont know what is being said about you and keep wondering why people run when they see you...Ignore is not the solution especially ify ou want to report for harrassement.

Just me though

Mei

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

What I'm gathering between the conversation between Snugglebutt and NyarukoW is that NyarukoW is perfectly willing to have baseless accusations against them for early pulling because they believe everyone will only accept the truth.