The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[RichardButte]

Yes because QQ ONLY ever occurs when people were scouting the other area, and certainly not at every single mark EVER

Never said it didn't.

You posited that people loading in must be freeloaders. We pointed out why your example is not completely applicable. Then you responded by saying the same thing.

[Izsha]

Public shaming:
Don't like it? Ignore it.
Really dont like it? blist.
Shaming degraded to excessive name calling? Report as harassment.

Act or dont. Either way move on with life. It's text on a screen.

[RichardButte]

The Aetheryte leeches are pretty annoying too. I found it humorous the other day when a ET mark went undiscovered for nearly an hour because 99% of the "hunters" were camped at the port, while only a few were actually doing the legwork.

Yeah, this is the other thing: the early pullers aren't the ones hunting around LOOKING for the mobs. They're the ones running to them while camping near the aetherite and pulling immediately.

Or loading quickly because they put FF on a SSD instead and then bragging about it...

[Thayos]

Yeah, this is the other thing: the early pullers aren't the ones hunting around LOOKING for the mobs. They're the ones running to them while camping near the aetherite and pulling immediately.

It's a vicious cycle.

The masses try to cooperate, but a handful of early pullers start causing people to miss out on marks... so then those people stop looking and start just waiting in central locations of zones... which then leads to more early pulling... which causes even MORE people to give up looking and sit waiting in zones... etc., until you just have mobs being immediately face-pulled and actual hunters totally missing out.

If you still don't believe in "early pulling," then go hunting very late at night when the early pulls have died down. You WILL see the difference. Everything about hunting late at night is so much more pleasant and productive.

Early pulling isn't against the rules, though, nor should it be. I honestly feel the sense of conflict/adversity caused by early pulling or other unpopular behaviors creates a more lively, realistic feeling that people crave in MMOs. Also, early pulling makes me more thankful for the times when hunters are actually cooperating and playing together.

[Lycelle]

I'm all for public shaming. If people are going to generally just be rude about pulls and want to take everything or themselves I have no problem letting the general public rip them a new one. Then again, there are people who feel entitled to have every hunt possible, so I'm on the fence about the topic itself. Now there is a huge difference between public shaming and public slandering. The majority of the time people usually slander instead of shame in which case most arguments over hunts break out because of this reason. Hunts were a good idea, just implemented poorly. They should've (in my opinion) made them like Guildhest. You go in with a party and you have a set time limit to track down a hunt and kill it and everybody gets credit.

[NyarukoW]

Early puller are no different from the DDOS trouble makers. They get their jollies at causing other misfortune. People have no trouble publicly shaming and even taking legal action against the DDOS trouble makers, why should people stop publicing shaming and black listing the early pulling repeat offenders. Calling them out is giving them a chance to behave better on the next elite mark so they do NOT get blacklisted.

[Snugglebutt]

Early puller are no different from the DDOS trouble makers. They get their jollies at causing other misfortune. People have no trouble publiclg shaming and even taking legal action against the DDOS trouble makers, why should people stop publicing shaming and black listing the early pulling repeat offenders. Calling them out is giving them a chance to behave better on the next elite mark so they do NOT get blacklisted.

As I said to someone else, if you have no problem with the harassment of others by shouting their names followed by accusations about them which incurs a backlash towards them both in /tells and blacklisting...then you wont mind if someone on your server does it to you right now. Goes to all regions within your server shouting your name followed by the accusation your an early puller.

You will then find yourself blacklisted and facing rude and harassing /tells for something you may or may not have ever done. Perhaps you will use the excuse if happened to someone else that it will teach them not to do it in future because they sampled what it will be like if they do and claim it is a preventative measure? After all it goes in the same direction as what said above, putting people off doing it in future.

Fact is anyone can shout a random persons name followed by such accusations and the consequence is a witch hunt that harasses other players who may or may not have done anything wrong. It is a form of harassment plain and simple to do such shouts, especially given the person accused is not always to blame or guilty of what someone claims in these shouts.

[Lycelle]

The thing is these people "don't" stop until they're either jailed or banned. It's called ignorance. There are players out there who feel that other shouldn't be allowed progression. They want to keep that line between casual and hardcore from blurring as much as possible. So they ruin hunts for others. I don't like hunts, I'll just wait until they drop from WoD to bother with progression or just slip into a Coil group.

[NyarukoW]

......then you wont mind if someone on your server does it to you right now. Goes to all regions within your server shouting your name followed by the accusation your an early puller.
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People are not blind. False accusation don't mean a thing. It is obvious who pulled first. I just make sure I am not the first pull, and always call out the pull time so there is no room for misunderstanding. The early pullers ignore the called pull time and it is very obvious who they are, and it gets more obvious at every A rank.

[Snugglebutt]

People are not blind. False accusation don't mean a thing. It is obvious who pulled first. I just make sure I am no the first pull, and always call out the pull time so there is no room for misunderstanding. The early pullers ignore the called pull time and it is very obvious who they are, and it gets more obvious at every A rank.

Yes because clearly someone in Mor Dhona for example will have seen who pulled in Thanalan. You do a shout in Thanalan that you 'think' pulled early and word spreads across more regions through friends, FC's and linkshells. I state again are you saying you would have no problem if someone reading this thread who plays on your server goes around right now shouting your an early puller? Do you think just because you believe your always right about who pulls early, that every other person who does such shouts is also right? If you think doing such shouts is okay for you then surely it applies to everyone else or only you should do such shouts?

Reality is quite often such shouts are not right, whether coming from someone who arrived late, someone blaming a player who happened to be in the area maybe not even taking part in the hunt when the hunt mob targeted them plus other examples like someone saying such because they simply do not like someone else...but pretty much all people accused via such shouts will get abuse and harassed, verbally insulted through tells and blacklisted regardless of accuracy of the person who did the shout. Do you consider them casualties of war? Do they deserve such harassment just because some idiot shouted their name and a accusation in regional chat which will spread through many other regions, linkshells and FC's?

These shouts are nothing more than FF14 version of witch hunts. Regardless of guilt you will be harassed if someone does it to you and often has proved to be the case people are getting blamed despite not being guilty of the accusation...irregardless of your own personal bias towards the accuracy of your own accusations towards others.