PLD Novus: Parry or DET?

[SirTaint]

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My point is, all this interruptions on you comboes skills (which are necessary cause your a tank first and foremost, not a DPS), lower your DPS quite a bit, and that makes the tiny extra DPS you can do with 35 Det and on Shield Oath even less significant.

The same can be can said of parry. When you aren't tanking what's parry doing? When the attack is magical what's parry doing? Whether you parry or not your mages are doing the same cure rotation.

Waiting on Bennus or adds in general is just bad playing. You know exactly when they are going to pop.

Pushing 3-4 Bennus or 4 flattens is much more important then a few extra parries over 13-14 minutes.

You are debating a 2-3% parry bump over 100-140 hits depending on the turn. Vs 10 str for every action over 13-14min.

[ZDamned]

I never expect that RNG Parry saves me, I can agree that you loose some VIT even if capping Vit on the DPS Accessories. I go full fending when learning and progressing new content. Then when people is confortable with the fight, and you got a few left side drops to boot, I start replacing accesories to help on DPS.

TBH I have only gotten to Novus Relic, I dont have that much free time, and I prefer to devote it to Raiding, So Last 2 Coils I been just fine with Soldiery/Poetics sword until I got my T9 (or now T13 still progressing) weapon.

Also many times a tank spends time waiting. In T11 for example, 5 seconds before a bennu pops, I stop my WS to have a combo precharged ready for grabbing the adds, also after tank swaping in every fight I just put Fracture (pretty bad WS in PLD) and then Riot Blade Combo just to ensure I wont steal it back (and prolly wiping the party). Also many fights require you to move the boss in concert (T10, T11, T12, and T13 all do) U stop DPS (except for a lowly shield lob maybe here and there). And finally In many fights now with a ninja gaoud on mnk, TP song is being sung less and less by our bard, and I find myself running low on TP on every turn at some point, making me to stop WS and wait a bit till TP regens back up.

My point is, all this interruptions on you comboes skills (which are necessary cause your a tank first and foremost, not a DPS), lower your DPS quite a bit, and that makes the tiny extra DPS you can do with 35 Det and on Shield Oath even less significant.

Then there is Hate. Hate has never been an issue before, even with dps with a weapon 10 or 15 ilvls higher than my sword. Hate is just so easy to generate in shield oath that it is only an issue on the very moment an add pops, but that's mostly due to not being prepared, or being distracted, never because I had an inferior weapon.

So much wrong here, several of which SirTaint already covered, but I'll give my points as well.

First off: If you are waiting as a tank, it doesn't matter what stats you went with, you are either doing 1 of 2 things. Waiting for an add to spawn/Invulnerability to drop off. Or You are playing poorly.

SirTaint said himself, Bennu's spawn on an exact timer, if you are waiting longer than 2.5 seconds without using a skill, that is your fault, and you are dropping DPS, not the fight mechanics.

Choosing to use Riotblade intelligently, may lower potency, and subsequently DPS, but having more determination/Crit will still help that be stronger regardless.

If you move the boss, you are literally talking about again, at worst a 5 second movement, if you have to face away form the boss, so 2 GCD's worth of a DPS loss. (Which can be made up for quickly if you have higher DPS secondary stats BTW)

I've said this in other threads, and I'll say it again. Tanking turns 10-13, I have never once come close to going out on TP whle Main Tanking as Paladin, entirely because of Shield Swipe with both my Kite Shield, and my Shiva Shield. If Enmity is not an issue for you, then you have no excuse to not be using it every chance you get.

And in the times that you are not attacking, you would want your sustainable DPS to be higher to make up for those times that you can't attack, so that you can push faster.

No, there is no hate. Unless your like me and you were out of the game for 8 months, and then got into a group that averages 20 ilvls above you.. =P Otherwise refer to my Shield Swipe comment again.

[Elendil_Voronda]

So much wrong here, several of which SirTaint already covered, but I'll give my points as well.
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Maybe I was misunderstood. I didn't say DET was bad, I said that If you wanted to do more DPS using a DPS accessory with melded Vit was better and cheaper. Ultimately you may agree or disagree with me, and that's ok.

But really when was it that a PLD lack of DPS was the cause of a wipe?, on Warrior OT that might be debatable, I have had Warriors doing over 300 DPS on Final Coils, with a measly i115 weapon and I consider that very good, but remember 10 str on a dps class (monk/drg) does increase the dps more than on a Pally on Shield Oath, try some numbers on a dummy and see for yourself.

As for the waiting, haha ok ill wait till there is 3-4 secs (instead of 5) for the bennu to pop to stop my WS and precharge my Combo, still I doubt that extra 5-10 secs (2-4 hits) of me doing DPS (With i130 poetics weapon) will make us skip a whole bennu . as my game clock doesn't show decimals I prefer it that way so I don't risk a Bennu raping our whm (Which will undoubtedly wipe us and make us loose time)

[ZDamned]

It's not that were saying you push phases, or fail at DPS checks for using parry, it's more so this: "Oh no! We wiped because our Paladin didn't have enough Parry!" - (No one ever)

And when you add 15-45 DPS over a 10 minute fight, that's around 18,000 Damage. Which is a level 2 limit break in itself. Those small increases add up over time!

[Elendil_Voronda]

It's not that were saying you push phases, or fail at DPS checks for using parry, it's more so this: "Oh no! We wiped because our Paladin didn't have enough Parry!" - (No one ever)

And when you add 15-45 DPS over a 10 minute fight, that's around 18,000 Damage. Which is a level 2 limit break in itself. Those small increases add up over time!

Nope not at all, and I agree Parry is a lackbuster stat. But how much will a PLD Relic Cost you if you were to cap DET? U need 9 DET IV materia, assuming you are the luckiest Pally on the world and never miss one meld on the scroll thats 9 x 500k (average price on Hyperion) = 4.5 million gil. a Single DPS Ring crafted with Vit melded (only Vit) costs you less than 350k and you get more DPS than with the DET Relic for way less.

Thats what I´ve been saying, is much more efficient, but well if you got lots of gil to burn, then go ahead, DET is not bad at all.

[Jican]

My personal feelings on the matter are as stands. As a tank, my job is to keep hate and soak damage. Anything past that is extra. The better I can do my main job of soaking damage, the better I am at my job. Leave the DPS checks to the DPS and worry about mitigating as much damage as you can. I choose to go full parry for my pld.

[Lavieh]

My personal feelings on the matter are as stands. As a tank, my job is to keep hate and soak damage. Anything past that is extra. The better I can do my main job of soaking damage, the better I am at my job. Leave the DPS checks to the DPS and worry about mitigating as much damage as you can. I choose to go full parry for my pld.

IMO this is a piss poor mentality. You have all the tools to deal good damage, your job should be staying alive, tanking the boss and putting out as much damage as possible.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

I'm starting my novus today. If I understand well: poor PLDs go acc/parry and rich ones acc/det? Or even crit/det?

[SpookyGhost]

If you're hitting the boss, your damage matters. A healer choosing to increase their DPS is different from a tank choosing to increase their DPS because one of them HAS to hit the boss and the other can choose to. Your primary job is to stay alive, your second job is to keep hate. How do you keep more hate? More damage. More damage also means faster phase pushes/skipping mechanics which is another form of mitigation.

I'm starting my novus today. If I understand well: poor PLDs go acc/parry and rich ones acc/det? Or even crit/det?

Poor PLDs go acc/det/crt, rich PLDs go acc/det or crt/det. Even if you're using Parry it's cheaper to go the 3 way split.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

If you're hitting the boss, your damage matters. A healer choosing to increase their DPS is different from a tank choosing to increase their DPS because one of them HAS to hit the boss and the other can choose to. Your primary job is to stay alive, your second job is to keep hate. How do you keep more hate? More damage. More damage also means faster phase pushes/skipping mechanics which is another form of mitigation.



Poor PLDs go acc/det/crt, rich PLDs go acc/det or crt/det. Even if you're using Parry it's cheaper to go the 3 way split.

Thank you /bow