Wards full again

[mysterytaru]

The refusal to use the other two cities' wards is not a development issue, it's a community one. You can blame SE all you want for having a limit on retainers in wards but, in the end, it's *you* who refuses to make use of the available wards elsewhere.

[Wynn]

The refusal to use the other two cities' wards is not a development issue, it's a community one. You can blame SE all you want for having a limit on retainers in wards but, in the end, it's *you* who refuses to make use of the available wards elsewhere.

I would say this is spot on. Like I said earlier, I use the other wards in the other cities. People WILL buy there, in fact they WANT to, but they are having trouble finding things in Limsa and Gridania because the sellers have decided to turn Ul'dah into New Jeuno. It is kind of funny to see someone in Limsa upset that they can't find anything in the wards because they are empty and then see another player in Ul'dah later that evening upset because the wards are over crowded, making it impossible for them to place their retainer in the correct ward.

There really is no reason to pack into Ul'dah like sardines in a tin can, especially now with the changes to obtaining guildmarks, how guildleves award sp, and the introduction of companies. People are actually using Limsa and Gridania again. If the community at large put their retainers somewhere other than Ul'dah, their things would sell. I do it just about every day.

I would argue that, while the market wards are far from perfect, we the players are exacerbating the problem by being stubborn.

[Nabiri]

I would say this is spot on. Like I said earlier, I use the other wards in the other cities. People WILL buy there, in fact they WANT to, but they are having trouble finding things in Limsa and Gridania because the sellers have decided to turn Ul'dah into New Jeuno. It is kind of funny to see someone in Limsa upset that they can't find anything in the wards because they are empty and then see another player in Ul'dah later that evening upset because the wards are over crowded, making it impossible for them to place their retainer in the correct ward.

There really is no reason to pack into Ul'dah like sardines in a tin can, especially now with the changes to obtaining guildmarks, how guildleves award sp, and the introduction of companies. People are actually using Limsa and Gridania again. If the community at large put their retainers somewhere other than Ul'dah, their things would sell. I do it just about every day.

I would argue that, while the market wards are far from perfect, we the players are exacerbating the problem by being stubborn.

Every time I sell things in Gridania they sell very fast since I have little or no competition. :3 It's great. It's too bad so few people have realized this.

[Chezen]

There really is no reason to pack into Ul'dah like sardines in a tin can, especially now with the changes to obtaining guildmarks, how guildleves award sp, and the introduction of companies. People are actually using Limsa and Gridania again.

I've noted more activity in the other cities on my server as well. In relation to the slight population shift, I've noticed the wards in the other two cities also pick up slightly. I myself have been avoiding Uldah well before 1.18. I prefer the other cities and surrounding areas, mostly for asthetic reasons.

That is not to say that Uldah isn't still the Grand Central of Eorzea here, but I think as the devs continue to add unique benefits to each city, you will see people spread out more over time.

[RabidSquirrel]

The refusal to use the other two cities' wards is not a development issue, it's a community one. You can blame SE all you want for having a limit on retainers in wards but, in the end, it's *you* who refuses to make use of the available wards elsewhere.

A player will go where it is most convenient for them. It is the developer's job to make each town as equally convenient as possible. The game revolves around items and groups. Players stay in Ul'dah because that is where people shout for groups, and sell the most goods. Nothing will get players out of Ul'dah unless the wards are connected (which is probably close to impossible without getting rid of retainers), and there is some kind of global chat between towns. The best you can do is move focus to another town, which doesn't solve anything. Making guildmarks only available in certain towns is merely an excursion. They only take about an hour to finish, to which you have to wait longer than a day to obtain more. Why would you still stay in that town once you've finished them?

[mysterytaru]

A player will go where it is most convenient for them. It is the developer's job to make each town as equally convenient as possible. The game revolves around items and groups. Players stay in Ul'dah because that is where people shout for groups, and sell the most goods. Nothing will get players out of Ul'dah unless the wards are connected (which is probably close to impossible without getting rid of retainers), and there is some kind of global chat between towns. The best you can do is move focus to another town, which doesn't solve anything. Making guildmarks only available in certain towns is merely an excursion. They only take about an hour to finish, to which you have to wait longer than a day to obtain more. Why would you still stay in that town once you've finished them?

It's no longer convenient when it's full, now is it? It is not SE's fault the players won't spread out. There are wards that are empty and people refuse to use them. This is a player and community issue, not a dev one. Nothing makes Ul'dah anymore convenient than Limsa or Grid. It's arbitrary to say one's better than another.

[Preypacer]

A player will go where it is most convenient for them. It is the developer's job to make each town as equally convenient as possible. The game revolves around items and groups. Players stay in Ul'dah because that is where people shout for groups, and sell the most goods. Nothing will get players out of Ul'dah unless the wards are connected (which is probably close to impossible without getting rid of retainers), and there is some kind of global chat between towns. The best you can do is move focus to another town, which doesn't solve anything. Making guildmarks only available in certain towns is merely an excursion. They only take about an hour to finish, to which you have to wait longer than a day to obtain more. Why would you still stay in that town once you've finished them?

Ul'dah was selected, I think, because of its central location to everything. It's smack-dead in the middle of the two other cities, and you have Mor Dhona straight to the N.

Beyond that, it's circular, self-perpetuating behavior... The reason more people hang out in Ul'dah, is because more people hang out in Ul'dah...

When Ishgard is finally opened, assuming it's the "Jeuno" many assume it to be... I wouldn't be surprised to find that the mass of people head there instead and Ul'dah becomes just like the other two cities.

[Namynyor]

Making guildmarks only available in certain towns is merely an excursion. They only take about an hour to finish, to which you have to wait longer than a day to obtain more. Why would you still stay in that town once you've finished them?

WHY stay there? So you don't have to waste your precious Anima returning there the next time you need to do more leves for guild marks. And you can always run around and fight mobs in the areas around Gridania and Limsa Lominsa, there's nothing to force you to do that in Ul'dah. Get the other players in your LS together to join you exploring other cities, and you may find things to do outside of Ul'dah. And it should take more than an hour to do your leves for guild marks, unless you're only doing 1 or 2 leves. You can take up a craft that is centered in that city also (and crafting takes up a lot more time, if you grind through it)

[Preypacer]

The refusal to use the other two cities' wards is not a development issue, it's a community one. You can blame SE all you want for having a limit on retainers in wards but, in the end, it's *you* who refuses to make use of the available wards elsewhere.

I have my NPC set up in Grid's MW selling stuff for pretty low prices. There's a pretty good amount of people in and out of that city now, so I'm sure it'll move.