The Ninja Superthread

[Odowla]

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I'll get some PPS values, that matters more than DPS values. I disagree that buffs are multiplicative, though - or a MNK wouldnt get anywhere nearly as high damage. (27% + 10% more + 11% more, etc.. that's like only 32% more damage compared to their +48%..)

1 Mutilate missing 10% damage isnt a massive decrease, and like you said its made up later :P

Finished; Here's Results.

DoT opener:
the columns being total potency, and PPS.

My opener:

So the difference is 2 PPS. Not enough to REALLY make a difference, but enough that it does affect your damage.

[Best-MNK-NA]

[A]n opener will almost never extrapolate into 10 DPS at the end of a 3 minute parse

As I said, there may have been some user error. If it was a clearly superior opener the dot timings would've lined up for significantly greater damage but it was a negligible difference.

I disagree that buffs are multiplicative, though - or a MNK wouldnt get anywhere nearly as high damage. (27% + 10% more + 11% more, etc.. that's like only 32% more damage compared to their +48%..)

Different kind of multiplicative. 100 potency + 27% + 10% + 11% = 155.067 potency if multiplicative (55.067% increase) vs 148 potency if additive (48% increase). I haven't done enough testing to confirm this is how it works (though it seems true), just read many people reporting it as such. Regardless, a Mutilate with xpot + b4b + TA is obviously more damage than mutilate with just b4b + ta but I do think it's possible to get the opening Mutilate in under TA with some good latency.

So the difference is 2 PPS.

Still a difference of ~4 dps. Not bad. How accurate is potency parsing and does it take into account buffs?

[Lavieh]

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It is really accurate and does take buffs into account.

I did some testing with my opener vs. theirs and I got varying results. User error and Latency still play a small role in the outcome, so I'd take the 2 pps difference they posted with a grain of salt.

[LordTiberiusRex]

Thanks for sharing that, Leggerless! OP updated with "DoT Effects" and note on NIN/DE added.

No problem, man.

This is a general Ninja thread, just like the Dragoon: A Rotation Reborn (new thread soon)...

That's news to me; is it the same person remaking it or another person inheriting it?

Welcome to most MMO's. The good looking gear is very far in between in levels and all the highly designed gear is at 50. If you needed something to glamour, you can get the Foestriker's set that all pieces drop from Satasha, Tam-Tara, and Copperbell. There is also the lv.35 set that looks cool that drops from Brayflox. Low level armor is kind of designed to motivate you to get to 50 to get the "cool looking gear".

Yep. Pretty neat strategy if you ask me; provide a person a somewhat bad looking option, then present them a better option that they have to play to get. Heartless? Maybe. Revenue-generating? You can bet so.

Anyways, I need to frequent the forums more often; lot of good information popped up while I was away

[Viridiana]

That's news to me; is it the same person remaking it or another person inheriting it?

Dervy's volunteered/been voluntold to restart it with the expansion.

[Dervy]

Dervy's volunteered/been voluntold to restart it with the expansion.

Voluntold is more like it

[treuhavik]

Voluntold is more like it

You're welcome! =D

[Odowla]

As I said, there may have been some user error. If it was a clearly superior opener the dot timings would've lined up for significantly greater damage but it was a negligible difference.
Different kind of multiplicative. 100 potency + 27% + 10% + 11% = 155.067 potency if multiplicative (55.067% increase) vs 148 potency if additive (48% increase). I haven't done enough testing to confirm this is how it works (though it seems true), just read many people reporting it as such. Regardless, a Mutilate with xpot + b4b + TA is obviously more damage than mutilate with just b4b + ta but I do think it's possible to get the opening Mutilate in under TA with some good latency.

Yeah I've gotten Mutilate a few times as well. +2 PPS on a good run, on par on my worst ones, otherwise they're equal.